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Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories,
this one never made much headway in the news.

Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we?

I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms
Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1,
proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG.
According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest.
(We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.)
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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snip
Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories,
this one never made much headway in the news.

Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we?

I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms
Trial held at Shilo in 1980.

In 1980 the proto-SA80 would still have been firing 4.85mm...

They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1,
proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG.
According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest.
(We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.)

Has the Diemaco proved to be a disaster?

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Has the Diemaco proved to be a disaster?

Not at all, especially if the foreign sales are taken into account.
However, for the first eight or so years there were bugs to be ironed out
(magazines and their lips primarily).
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:02 -0400, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:

Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we?

I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms
Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1,
proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG.
According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest.
(We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.)

The Steyr may have shot rings around the rest, but by that standard
the first SA80 I ever fired was also wonderful and far better than my
old SLR. Meanwhile, in the real world, Aussies I have spoken to have
apparently experienced worse problems with the Steyr than I ever did
with the SA80, and I can personally recall magazines falling out all
the time and once a cocking handle coming off in somebody's hand.

Gavin Bailey

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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:44:04 GMT, (The Revolution
Will Not Be Televised) wrote:


The Steyr may have shot rings around the rest, but by that standard
the first SA80 I ever fired was also wonderful and far better than my
old SLR. Meanwhile, in the real world, Aussies I have spoken to have
apparently experienced worse problems with the Steyr than I ever did
with the SA80,

Allegedly down to domestic production issues with non spec ingredients and
lack of QC.


FWIH Austrian produced models havent had similiar issues. Not surprising
given steyrs standard demo is to throw one picked at random into some
suitable mire, drive a truck over it, shake the water out and fire it.



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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:02 -0400, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:

Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we?

I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms
Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1,
proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG.
According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest.
(We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.)

The Steyr may have shot rings around the rest, but by that standard
the first SA80 I ever fired was also wonderful and far better than my
old SLR. Meanwhile, in the real world, Aussies I have spoken to have
apparently experienced worse problems with the Steyr than I ever did
with the SA80, and I can personally recall magazines falling out all
the time and once a cocking handle coming off in somebody's hand.

Gavin Bailey


I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle. I like rifles which look as if they
escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy
behind them is entirely suspect.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

))

On 29 Sep 2003 19:58:49 -0700, Steyr wrote:

I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle.

Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full
Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only
when the season's open, mind.

I like rifles which look as if they
escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy
behind them is entirely suspect.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a
semi-automatic version.

Gavin Bailey

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On 29 Sep 2003 19:58:49 -0700, Steyr wrote:

I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle.

Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full
Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only
when the season's open, mind.

My Great Uncle Charlie prefered to go Mau Mauing with a .600 Nitro
Express hammer gun. Whether it was ethical or not depends on one's
perspective on franchised colonial wars. The slug was the size of an
old gas stove and if that missed the culprit, the noise would surely
kill the blighter.



I like rifles which look as if they
escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy
behind them is entirely suspect.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a
semi-automatic version.

Gavin Bailey


Can't blame everything on Suez.

On 1 Oct 2003 08:28:34 -0700, (lisieux) wrote:

Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full
Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only
when the season's open, mind.

My Great Uncle Charlie prefered to go Mau Mauing with a .600 Nitro
Express hammer gun. Whether it was ethical or not depends on one's
perspective on franchised colonial wars. The slug was the size of an
old gas stove and if that missed the culprit, the noise would surely
kill the blighter.

I think this is where the old Webley RIC .577 pistols came in: when
facing down the rabid hordes of Fenians waving sheets of recycled
Chartist propaganda and stoked high on IRB hallucinogens, you needed
the kind of high-momentum stopping power on savage, uncivilised
nervous systems that worked with the .455 on hoped-up Zulu impis and
45 ACP on gibbering Phillipino tribesmen. Indeed, I think there
might be an arithmetical progression in terms of the relationship
between colonial enforcement and the pistol calibre required to subdue
the restless natives responding to the imposition of imperialist
oppression like cricket, district health officers and increased
Vickers dividends at their expense.

One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a
civilian perspective.

It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a
semi-automatic version.

Can't blame everything on Suez.

It worked for Eden.

Gavin Bailey


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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories,
this one never made much headway in the news.

Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we?

I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms
Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1,
proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG.
According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest.
(We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)




I spoke to some Brits in North Belfast last year and they told us that their new
rifle was 'complete crap'. I think they were detached from a field gun
formation, possibbly Royal Artillery. The Welch Fusilers were in the same area.

A teenager from the Welch was blown up by a UDA frag device a few days
previously. I have no opinion on the SA80 matter other than to note that I've
not actually encountered a favourable review of the weapon from a serving
soldier.

The Brits were stuck in a Saxon APC and had to eat, **** and pee in the darn
contraption which looks more like an armoured telephone repair van rather than a
real APC. I thought it looked like a relic from the 1950s.