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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
... snip Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories, this one never made much headway in the news. Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we? I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1, proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG. According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest. (We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.) -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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In message , Andrew Chaplin
writes "Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... snip Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories, this one never made much headway in the news. Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we? I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms Trial held at Shilo in 1980. In 1980 the proto-SA80 would still have been firing 4.85mm... They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1, proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG. According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest. (We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.) Has the Diemaco proved to be a disaster? -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
... Has the Diemaco proved to be a disaster? Not at all, especially if the foreign sales are taken into account. However, for the first eight or so years there were bugs to be ironed out (magazines and their lips primarily). -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:02 -0400, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote: Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we? I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1, proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG. According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest. (We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.) The Steyr may have shot rings around the rest, but by that standard the first SA80 I ever fired was also wonderful and far better than my old SLR. Meanwhile, in the real world, Aussies I have spoken to have apparently experienced worse problems with the Steyr than I ever did with the SA80, and I can personally recall magazines falling out all the time and once a cocking handle coming off in somebody's hand. Gavin Bailey -- Another user rings. "I need more space" he says. "Well, why not move to Texas?", I ask. - The ******* Operator From Hell |
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In article , The Revolution Will Not Be
Televised says... On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:02 -0400, "Andrew Chaplin" wrote: Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we? I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1, proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG. According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest. (We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.) The Steyr may have shot rings around the rest, but by that standard the first SA80 I ever fired was also wonderful and far better than my old SLR. Meanwhile, in the real world, Aussies I have spoken to have apparently experienced worse problems with the Steyr than I ever did with the SA80, and I can personally recall magazines falling out all the time and once a cocking handle coming off in somebody's hand. Gavin Bailey I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle. I like rifles which look as if they escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy behind them is entirely suspect. One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a civilian perspective. ![]() |
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On 29 Sep 2003 19:58:49 -0700, Steyr wrote:
I like the full furniture Steyr Deer rifle. Mmm, with two triggers and hand-polished walnut stocks for full Victorian authenticity when on a drive for some beaten Mau Mau. Only when the season's open, mind. I like rifles which look as if they escaped from Kenya in the 1950s. I hate automatic rifles because the philosophy behind them is entirely suspect. One can either hit the bloody target or one can't. Of course that is just a civilian perspective. It took until 1956 before the Treasury would allow squaddies even a semi-automatic version. Gavin Bailey -- Another user rings. "I need more space" he says. "Well, why not move to Texas?", I ask. - The ******* Operator From Hell |
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In article , Andrew Chaplin says...
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... snip Funnily enough, after all the "it's useless and it won't work" stories, this one never made much headway in the news. Can't let facts get in the way of a good rant, can we? I wonder if you have ever seen the reports of the NATO Arctic Small Arms Trial held at Shilo in 1980. They had the early Diemaco or an M16A1, proto-SA 80, several others and, for comparison's sake, a Steyr AUG. According to the range officer, the AUG shot rings round all the rest. (We bought the Canadian-made Diemaco, of course. Oh, well.) -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) I spoke to some Brits in North Belfast last year and they told us that their new rifle was 'complete crap'. I think they were detached from a field gun formation, possibbly Royal Artillery. The Welch Fusilers were in the same area. A teenager from the Welch was blown up by a UDA frag device a few days previously. I have no opinion on the SA80 matter other than to note that I've not actually encountered a favourable review of the weapon from a serving soldier. The Brits were stuck in a Saxon APC and had to eat, **** and pee in the darn contraption which looks more like an armoured telephone repair van rather than a real APC. I thought it looked like a relic from the 1950s. |
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