Piloting is the second most dangerous occupation

On Aug 15, 5:49 am, "El Maximo" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Given what many Mensa members are like, it is perhaps best not to show the
card. The organization is famous for attracting intelligent but socially
dysfunctional individuals. About 120 million people worldwide qualify for
Mensa, but only 70,000 have joined, and they are a self-selected group
that is
not representative of intelligent people as a whole.

Sounds just like your description of pilots as a population.

Things that make you go hmmm........

It's a very common response to exclusion from a group based on an
ability. You notice that there's a tinge of jealousy in his reaction,
which he has towards both pilots and mensa members (and probably
women; see also breast feeding). Next thing he'll say is "just
because you're smart doesn't mean you have commmon sense" (which is
true in a way but I digress). Besides, he complains about the
intelligence of people posting, and the point wasn't whether I am
socially dysfunctional or not (my pshrink seems to think i'll be over
THAT very soon now g), the point is that I can demonstrate
concretely my intelligence level by virtue of the fact that I have the
card at all. Take that into consideration along with what I do, and
what I studied in school. A sane person may conclude that I actually
might know about that which I am speaking. Mx demonstrates the
psychological compulsion of an excluded individual who just NEEDS to
be a member of the club at all costs (whether it be Mensa, APOA, or
breast feeders), because he feels left out of the group. Children
exhibit this behaviour (basically "jump up and down while yelling
'look at me...look at me'"), but they normally outgrow this by the
time they reach puberty.

Aside:
*All* groupings based on a demonstrable ability are "self-selected,"
from Mensans to pilots to NFL players. If he actually QUALIFIED for
Mensa, he would know that the only thing he would have to do to obtain
membership would be to 1) demonstrate the ability (via submission of
proof of test score) and 2) pay the membership dues. Aside from the
IQ test portion (demonstration of ability), there's nothing more to
do. No interview, NOTHING. In other words, it isn't because those
other 119,930,000 people haven't joined because they were denied, it
was because they CHOSE not to join. AFAIK, there are no secret
meetings where Mensans get together and have orgies or discuss social
dysfunctions. In fact, my only contact with them since I've joined was
to pay my dues every couple of years and read the magazine that gets
sent to my house every month. I do not know of any study that
examined the psychological makeups of the people that qualify that
join versus that who don't join. Hmm, that may be interesting, and I
wonder how that would compare to the psychological makeup of those
that become pilots (which is not quite the same, because piloting is a
learned skill, while intelligence is not, but they both involve
joining a "group" based on an ability).

"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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It's a very common response to exclusion from a group based on an
ability. You notice that there's a tinge of jealousy in his reaction,
which he has towards both pilots and mensa members (and probably
women; see also breast feeding).

He's mentioned not being invited into a treehouse on several occations. You
wanna bet that's where it all started? Probably couldn't climb the ladder.

Doug Semler writes:

Next thing he'll say is "just
because you're smart doesn't mean you have commmon sense" ...

No. First, there's no such thing as "common sense." Second, intelligent
people have reasoning ability superior to that of unintelligent people, since
this ability is one of the hallmarks of intelligence.

*All* groupings based on a demonstrable ability are "self-selected,"
from Mensans to pilots to NFL players.

No. People choose to join Mensa, but they do not choose to be subject to,
say, military conscription.

In other words, it isn't because those
other 119,930,000 people haven't joined because they were denied, it
was because they CHOSE not to join.

Essentially, yes, although it's not a matter of actively choosing not to join
so much as it is a matter of not actively choosing to join.

Most intelligent people don't need the trivial validation that Mensa
membership provides. The ones who do are that way because they've
accomplished so little else in life, in most cases.

AFAIK, there are no secret
meetings where Mensans get together and have orgies or discuss social
dysfunctions. In fact, my only contact with them since I've joined was
to pay my dues every couple of years and read the magazine that gets
sent to my house every month.

Then you need to attend the AGs, where you'll learn about the "orgies."

Mxsmanic wrote:
Doug Semler writes:

Next thing he'll say is "just
because you're smart doesn't mean you have commmon sense" ...

No. First, there's no such thing as "common sense." Second, intelligent
people have reasoning ability superior to that of unintelligent people, since
this ability is one of the hallmarks of intelligence.

*All* groupings based on a demonstrable ability are "self-selected,"
from Mensans to pilots to NFL players.

No. People choose to join Mensa, but they do not choose to be subject to,
say, military conscription.

Still having reading comprehension problems I see.

What "demonstrable ability" makes one subject to military conscription
other than being of "normal" health?

In other words, it isn't because those
other 119,930,000 people haven't joined because they were denied, it
was because they CHOSE not to join.

Essentially, yes, although it's not a matter of actively choosing not to join
so much as it is a matter of not actively choosing to join.

Most intelligent people don't need the trivial validation that Mensa
membership provides. The ones who do are that way because they've
accomplished so little else in life, in most cases.

Yeah, right, straight from the mouth of the poster boy for those that
have "accomplished so little else in life".

It still smells like sour grapes.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Doug Semler writes:

piggybacking, I broke down and plonked MX

Next thing he'll say is "just
because you're smart doesn't mean you have commmon sense" ...

No. First, there's no such thing as "common sense."

Whatever. MX knows exactly what I meant by the statement. Total strawman.
Like I said, a child in the corner jumping up and down yelling "look at
me...look at me...."

Second, intelligent
people have reasoning ability superior to that of unintelligent people,
since
this ability is one of the hallmarks of intelligence.

So you admit that I have a superior reasoning ability since I can prove my
intelligence. Duh. What's the point of argument with me then? Masochism?


*All* groupings based on a demonstrable ability are "self-selected,"
from Mensans to pilots to NFL players.

No. People choose to join Mensa, but they do not choose to be subject
to,
say, military conscription.

Still having reading comprehension problems I see.

What "demonstrable ability" makes one subject to military conscription
other than being of "normal" health?

I don't care if you are an "English teacher" or an "English as a second
language teacher." Both require basic comprehension skills. Which MX
obviously lacks.


In other words, it isn't because those
other 119,930,000 people haven't joined because they were denied, it
was because they CHOSE not to join.

Essentially, yes, although it's not a matter of actively choosing not to
join
so much as it is a matter of not actively choosing to join.

Most intelligent people don't need the trivial validation that Mensa
membership provides. The ones who do are that way because they've
accomplished so little else in life, in most cases.

Yeah, right, straight from the mouth of the poster boy for those that
have "accomplished so little else in life".

It still smells like sour grapes.

I notice the context was snipped again. But I agree on the sour grapes
comment. MX has a habit of gross overgeneralization. I joined not for any
"trivial validation" such as has been claimed. *I* know I'm smart. I don't
need any validation for that. I joined as a resume booster for the area in
which I live. It's amazing how those little words (Member, American Mensa)
put your resume on the top of the pile. I'm published. Google "Unisys
Federal Reserve." The high speed image processing software is mine (ok,ok,
with the help of a few others g, but you get the point) . I helped to
write alot of the software that is used by the US military (and foreign
governments, for that matter) for weather forecasting (never mention the
words "MM5," "GRIB," or "SeaWifs" to me g). Hell, the same algorithms are
used to flag the winds aloft on weather.gov..It's pretty cool how you can
uses satellite microwave sensor data to detect the wind speed and direction
at various altitudes. The forcasting algorithms, on the other hand.....But
I digress.

No. I don't need validation. My accomplishments have been recognized by
those that matter. MX is *not* one of those that matter. The US government
is a differnt story g. Besides, I don't know that I would consider
"thousands of hours of flight time" in a flight simulator, no matter HOW
good, as any sort of accomplishment.

Oh, I don't mean to sound like I'm tooting my own horn (which I am, of
course big grin, but sigh whatever. I'm now going to go back to
analyzing my results on why people become pilots.

--
Doug Semler
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Doug Semler wrote:
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Oh, I don't mean to sound like I'm tooting my own horn (which I am, of
course big grin, but sigh whatever. I'm now going to go back to
analyzing my results on why people become pilots.

The point that people often join organizations and particpate in
activities because of their positive value on a resume is probably
totaly lost on MX.

Tastefully done, tooting one's own horn is perfectly acceptable (unless
you do it so much you need glasses).

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The point that people often join organizations and particpate in
activities because of their positive value on a resume is probably
totaly lost on MX.

I understand the principle of credentialism. I question whether Mensa
membership is a suitable credential for a resume, however.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

The point that people often join organizations and particpate in
activities because of their positive value on a resume is probably
totaly lost on MX.

I understand the principle of credentialism. I question whether Mensa
membership is a suitable credential for a resume, however.


Why, don't they accept the bankrupt?

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

The point that people often join organizations and particpate in
activities because of their positive value on a resume is probably
totaly lost on MX.

I understand the principle of credentialism. I question whether Mensa
membership is a suitable credential for a resume, however.

And how many hundreds of resumes from applicants have you read?


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Doug Semler writes:

So you admit that I have a superior reasoning ability since I can prove my
intelligence.

A superior reasoning ability is inherent in intelligence, not in the proof of
intelligence. Thus, an intelligent person can reason well with or without an
arbitrary credential to "prove" that he is intelligent.

What's the point of argument with me then?

Why would your nominally better-than-average reasoning ability be an obstacle
to debate with you?

I joined as a resume booster for the area in which I live.

You shouldn't put Mensa membership on a resume; it can do as much harm as
good, especially if the person reading the resume knows the organization well.

It's amazing how those little words (Member, American Mensa) put your
resume on the top of the pile.

How are you able to determine where your resume goes in the top of the pile?
And if it is so effective in this context, why are you sending out resumes?

I'm published.

That's much better on a resume than Mensa membership. A lot of Mensa members
seem to be living with their parents.

No. I don't need validation. My accomplishments have been recognized by
those that matter.

But you just said that Mensa membership puts you on the top of the pile. If
the rest of the resume is so impressive, why would the mention of Mensa make
so much difference?