Question for the Flight Physician

Robert M. Gary writes:

What does that have to do with the FAA?

Nothing. I was simply refuting the assertion that the military is
conservative in its use of medication. Some of the primary users of
amphetamines in the military have traditionally been pilots.

("john smith" wrote)
Describe what "abnormal dreams" means.


Remember the melatonin craze in the mid 90's? :-)

ZZZZzzzzZZZzzz :-o ....zzzZZZZzzzz

(from Wiki)
Many melatonin users have reported an increase in the vividness or frequency
of dreams. High doses of melatonin (50mg) dramatically increased REM sleep
time and dream activity in both narcoleptics and normal people. Many
psychoactive drugs, such as LSD and cocaine, increase melatonin synthesis.
It has been suggested that nonpolar (lipid-soluble) indolic hallucinogenic
drugs emulate melatonin activity in the awakened state and that both act on
the same areas of the brain.


Paul-Mont

(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:

It'd be a shame. This drug looks like the one we've been looking
for. My patients who've been on it report ZERO urge to smoke.

They don't have to remain on it for a lifetime, and once they are off
it, it's no longer a concern for aviation.


So now you're a flight physician as well?

He removed his testicles with a pair of tweezers once while playing
flight sim. Does that count?


Hey, better'n I could do.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

What does that have to do with the FAA?

Nothing. I was simply refuting the assertion that the military is
conservative in its use of medication.

No you weren't

Bertie

"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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Called will power just quit!!! I was 3 packs a day quit cold turkey
almost 4 years if you want to bad enough you will quit unless you have
a weak mind!!! The drug companys want you to think you need drugs or
patches to quit you just need to be strong and stop!


It depends on the physiology *and* psychology of the person. I've tried
quitting I don't know how many times. Longest was 9 weeks. All it
takes is a "trigger" to revert back (once I get over being sick like
heroin withdrawals). If there is a drug out there that will help with
the psychological (as well as the physiological - it seems Chantax does
that as well, in re nausea), I'll take it. So far I haven't found it.
Maybe this is it....

--
Doug Semler, MCPD
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
The answer is 42; DNRC o-
Gur Hfrarg unf orpbzr fb shyy bs penc gurfr qnlf, abbar rira
erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?

Once you stop taking the other drug you may have withdrawals from that.
As I said it's will power I know it is not easy you just have to have the
will to do it be strong it can be done with out drugs. Your body will
suffer a little from the damage you have done to it already but it can be
overcome with time. Our society is becoming to dependent upon
pharmaceuticals (Drugs) some of witch have far more worse side effects
then natural substances that nature created.


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You just quoted the same side effects for just about every single drug on
the market. shrug Anyway. My point is, not everyone has the
PSYCHOLOGICAL makeup to just up and quit a physical addiction. They are
called "addictive personalities". I am one of those. I can't go into a
casino; I'll drain my bank account. Luckily I don't like being drunk (nor
the day after) so I don't drink but a couple glasses of wine/beer with
dinner or in a social situation (i like the taste with food).

That being said, the temporary side effects suffered while taking the drug
may or may not outweigh the benefits the drug may or may not provide.
That is between me and my doctor. And no one else. Regardless of your
opinions on "will power" and the drug companies, you have absolutely no
say in this decision.

--
Doug Semler, MCPD
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
The answer is 42; DNRC o-
Gur Hfrarg unf orpbzr fb shyy bs penc gurfr qnlf, abbar rira
erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?

Yea, between you and your drug pusher/perscriber! You said it yourself you
don't go in to casinos that is will power. Same with smoking just don't suck
on the end of a cigarette. As for temporary side effects from a drug they
don't know what long terms side effects will be.

What's the difference Between A Drug Pusher and Drug Dealer, The Pusher has
an M.D. look at their portfolio and compare with prescriptions written.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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I was waiting to see how long it would take for you to chime in with some
stupid moronic comment.


Kinda like waiting for the sun to rise, isn't it?

It's a good thing the OP knows MX's history, otherwise he might be tempted
to follow his incorrect advice.

Chantix is a great drug.. It is not perfect.. I have had two patients
within the past week who reported back to me that they could not
handle the side effects... I am having them bust the low dose tab in
half, take it on a full stomach once a day, and see if they can build
a tolerance to the side effects so we can get their serum levels high
enough to allow them to stop smoking...

If you go through Pfizer's prescribing sheet, you can see that this
drug has a high rate of drop out due to GI side effects mainly, but
lots of other stuff too, so it is not a "yawn" situation... A serious
drug for a serious problem..

And yeah, I do not want to get into a big hoo haa over the 5HT sub
group bonding and a bunch of physiology crap... Look, I'm just a
brain dead country GP... I dunno what a 5-HT really is (I think it is
a part number for a 1954 Henry J - all you snot nosed kiddies can look
that up - I actually owned one), but it sure sounds cool when you say
it...

denny

On Aug 23, 5:05 am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
be ground tested to look for potential side effects.

As an Air Force flight surgeon, I felt compelled to respond to yet another
of your idiotic pronouncements. Why don't you go back to another forum where
you perceive yourself an expert, like on breast feeding.

Another thing others may not have considered is that the affect of the
military giving a 25 year old a perk-up pill may not be the same as
the FAA approving it for 65 year old pilots. My father was a military
pilot and each and every drug he took was given to him by a flight
surgeon. The ability for the military to approve a given drug on a
person-by-person baises is not the same as the FAA approving it for
across-the-board use.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Aug 23, 5:05 am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
be ground tested to look for potential side effects.

As an Air Force flight surgeon, I felt compelled to respond to yet
another
of your idiotic pronouncements. Why don't you go back to another forum
where
you perceive yourself an expert, like on breast feeding.

Another thing others may not have considered is that the affect of the
military giving a 25 year old a perk-up pill may not be the same as
the FAA approving it for 65 year old pilots.
...

True. Us geezers in need of a "perk-up pill" would be more likely to turn
towards something like Viagra.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Robert M. Gary writes:

Another thing others may not have considered is that the affect of the
military giving a 25 year old a perk-up pill may not be the same as
the FAA approving it for 65 year old pilots.

Why?

My father was a military pilot and each and every drug he took
was given to him by a flight surgeon.

The most widely abused drugs in the United States are those obtained by
prescription (excluding alcohol and nicotine).