Daddy! What did you do?!!!

"Mike Adams" wrote in message
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EridanMan wrote:

"With Request".

I have heard repeatedly, from multiple instructors and fellow pilots,
that this is a major pet-peeve of ATC, and unless they are in a good
mood, almost guarantees that they will simply dismiss you as a "Timid
weekend flyer" (Not my words, please don't kill the messenger!!)

I seem to recall reading a Don Brown column on Avweb some time ago where
he encouraged the "with
request" on initial call up. He said this helps the controller to realize
that this is someone new that he
hasn't been talking to, rather than having to scan his scope and try to
determine if this is a tail number
that he should be recognizing. I've had a few occasions where the
controller will come back with a
squawk code immediately, and then ask for the request. So it gives them a
heads up without taking a lot
of air time on initial call up.



Huh, my memory may be off, but I seem to remember him saying that you don't
"request to make a request". Just make the request on the initial callup.
(I quickly found the one below, but I remember him siging every time he
wrote that someone said something like: "Atlanta Center, Cessna one two
three for five, request.")

I would think that around here, it would be much much faster to say (oh,
yeah, and say it fast and pay attention!):

Detroit approach, Cessna 12345 at Salem, request bravo transtion to Grosse
Isle
Cessna 12345, Detroit Approach, unable, there's a cloud in the sky [Ok,
exageration again....follow the bloody flyways around the horn and hope you
don't get hit by a freigher under the shelf g]


http://www.avweb.com/news/sayagain/190337-1.html

quote
I've tried numerous times before, and I'm going to try to make this point
again: If you want my attention and you don't want to hear me say, "Say
again," then use my name. That would be "Atlanta Center."

"Atlanta Center, Cessna one two three for five, request."

I hear this exact transmission at least 25 times a day. Now tell me, is this
guy IFR or VFR? What does he want? He is literally making a request two make
a request. It's a waste of time. If you're going to make a request, then
make a request. Even if it's something out of the ordinary. Condense it down
to one or two words.

"Atlanta Center, Cessna one two three for five, request routing change."

If you think the routing change will be too complicated for a controller two
get "on the fly" -- the first time you say it -- you've now got the
controller's attention and he is prepared to write down your routing
request.

If you're just requesting direct to a fix you've already filed, you're
wasting time. We already know everybody wants to go direct. If you can't
stop yourself from asking, then at least do it in one transmission.

"Atlanta Center, Cessna one two three for five, request direct Spartanburg."

/quote

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"Doug Semler" wrote:

Huh, my memory may be off, but I seem to remember him saying that you
don't "request to make a request". Just make the request on the
initial callup.

OK, fair enough. I browsed through his archives and can't find what I was recalling. Too bad he's retired, I
always enjoyed his columns. He does seem to prefer "Atlanta Center, N12345 request VFR advisories"
as an initial call up. The point I was trying to make is to distinguish between a brand new contact and
someone already in the system that he should recognize. Also, on a busy frequency, it's definitely better
to give a short initial "wake-up" call rather than all the details of your request.

Mike

"Doug Semler" wrote:

Huh, my memory may be off, but I seem to remember him saying that you don't
"request to make a request".

Right. Controllers hate it when you make them play 20 Questions.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM