Can the airport ban bicycles?

An individual elected or appointed official can discuss anything they want
publicly or privately without violating open meeting laws (California's
Ralph M. Brown Act). It is only when they get together as a quorum or more
to do so that they are transgressing.

Jim

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"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford


"El Maximo" wrote in message
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I don't see any mention of Hangar Lease enforcement in the agendas or
minutes, so sh may be violating open meeting laws by discussing airport
business 'off the record'.

It may be but google earth shows two grasss strips nearby. Why not move

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Is this legal?

It is if you sign it.

Sadly, they are the only show in town.

However, I disagree that it's legal for them to change the
interpretation of an existing lease, simply because we signed it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Aug 29, 10:27 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
Perhaps you could work to have the wording changed to something like:
"Items not related to aviation or airport activity"?

It already says that. The airport commission is now proposing
interpreting this rule as meaning no non-aviation "stuff" in hangars
even WITH an aircraft inside.

Hmm. So let's get to work on classifying all the "stuff" aviation
stuff.

That couch? Why, its the perfect height for doing wing (wheel?
strut?) maintenance while sitting down. Put some wheel's on the
bottom so that it rolls around and its just an oversized creeper.

The fridge? Hmm.. I've got it. You must store your landing lights in
the fridge to keep them fresh and lasting long!

The bike is easy its your ground transportation at the other end of
your flights.

Sounds like this commissioner wants to get rid of the airport (in line
with raising the rents sky high).

Brian

"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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On Aug 28, 4:12 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a CYA move on the owner's part to
restrict any other "vehicles" being "parked" there and the hangar
becoming a "garage" for insurance purposes.

The "owners" are "We the People" -- it's a municipal airport hangar.

I believe the original intent of the clause(s) was to prevent the use
of hangars as non-aircraft storage units. The current commission,
however, is taking a very rigid reading of the lease, and has
announced a ban on ANYTHING not directly related to aviation --
including bicycles, of all things.

Our airport support group, "Friends of Iowa City Airport", is
absolutely abuzz with comments and crossfire, from commissioners and
tenants. It's actually kind of fun, but the ramifications are too
serious to really enjoy it.

Honestly, just when you thought you had seen everything...

Jay,

I see your point with respect to the "we the people" part. However,
that being said, it's like saying the owners of a public company are
the shareholders. Sure they are, but the shareholders (or people)
hire (elect) a management team (commissioners) to run the company
(municipality) on a day to day basis.

Any "insurance reasons" aside, it seems that there is a consensus
about personal storage and protection of grant monies. Neither of
which seem (at least to me) to be that unreasonable. However, to me,
at least, the specification of bicycles could also deal with a more
general term "vehicle." Without having seen any insurance policies
that are applicable to the property, anything else from me is just a
WAG. shrug

Regardless, I don't see why a potential lessee couldn't at least
*attempt* to negotiate bicycles, fridges, or any other item as an
exception to the clause when negotiating the terms of the lease.

and if you don't like the terms of the lease then you can always try parking
it elsewhere.

C'mon fella, give us a break. Fifty lines of quoted text for a one line
answer?

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford


"S Green" wrote in message
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Regardless, I don't see why a potential lessee couldn't at least
*attempt* to negotiate bicycles, fridges, or any other item as an
exception to the clause when negotiating the terms of the lease.

and if you don't like the terms of the lease then you can always try
parking it elsewhere.

On Aug 29, 11:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
Is this legal?

It is if you sign it.

Sadly, they are the only show in town.

However, I disagree that it's legal for them to change the
interpretation of an existing lease, simply because we signed it.


I think your misnaming "interpretation" for "lack of enforcement of
lease provisions". You agreed to the lease to begin with. If the
lease states that you will only store things that are aircraft or
related to aircraft maintenance, and you store a bicycle there, you
are in violation of the lease's provisions REGARDLESS of whether or
not they have ever enforced the provision (unless you can show that
the bicycle is an aircraft or related to aircraft maintenance g).

There is usually a Waiver clause in leases that states something to
the effect that "lack of enforcement of any provision of the lease
shall not be construed as a waiver therof so as to excuse the other
party from future perfomance of that provision or any other
provision." And you should be careful, because violation of a lease's
provisions can put you into default of the lease (you may have a
"correction period" though. Depends on the state and/or the lease
itself. Look for a Default clause).

I should note, that even if there are no Waiver, Severability, or
Default clauses defined explicitly in your lease agreement, state law
may define them for you.

All of this is speculation because I have NO idea exactly how your
lease is worded g

Jim Logajan wrote:


Here's the meeting minutes for one that seems to be the origin of the
debate (I stopped looking at them when I found this; there may be
more):

http://www.icgov.org/boardminute/1486.pdf

Well I read that one and the next two. In the one you link to they say they
are going to get FAA guidance on the issue. I didn't see anything in the two
following about the issue.

Viperdoc writes:

Hey butthead, the FAR's do not govern what can be kept in a hangar. What do
you keep in your hangar, an imaginary bicycle?

That's not a very nice way to talk to Jay.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Our rents are already much higher than neighboring airports, and GA
activity overall is still way down...

How much do they charge for hangar rental in Iowa City?

Well I read that one and the next two. In the one you link to they say they
are going to get FAA guidance on the issue. I didn't see anything in the two
following about the issue.

You won't find anything of use in the official meeting minutes. They
are often not released until 60 days after the meetings, and are
thoroughly cleansed of any nuance or detail.

I started "Friends of Iowa City Airport" -- an airport advocacy group
-- several years ago, because the commission at the time had
completely lost touch with their responsibilities. As part of FOICA
each month a volunteer attends the commission meeting and spends
several hours furiously scribbling the UNofficial meeting minutes,
which are then published to the group within hours or days via email.

The group is now over 240 airport supporters, so the quick
dissemination of real-time information (including such subtleties as
tone of voice and wise cracks) has really kept our commission on its
toes.

If you want to join (and have access to the unofficial meeting minute
archives) drop me an email off-group...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"