Daddy! What did you do?!!!

"Shirl" wrote in message
...
"Matt Barrow" :
This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed
to get one innocent bystander killed during a high speed
pursuit, then killed a lady for an illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to
my BIL who lives net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD
is even worse).- Hide quoted text

Jay Beckman wrote:
So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your
BIL yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.

Even police will have a few successes :~)

Look at their record, though, over the long term. Look, too, at their upper
divisions and the city administration as well.

Just as the public schools intent is not to educate (in the classical use of
the word), neither is the purpose of the police, any more, to keep the
peace. (Notice how in the 1970's an onward, police stopped referring to
themselves as "Peace Officers" and started calling themselves "Law
Enforcement". That requires a pretty big stretch of logic to infer that the
laws are for protecting the public rather than some other group.

Shirl:
Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.

"Matt Barrow" wrote:

Even police will have a few successes :~)

There are more than a few.
It's just that the successes aren't splashed all over the TV for days
after the fact as are the failures.

Look at their record, though, over the long term. Look, too, at their upper
divisions and the city administration as well.

Just as the public schools intent is not to educate (in the classical use of
the word), neither is the purpose of the police, any more, to keep the
peace. (Notice how in the 1970's an onward, police stopped referring to
themselves as "Peace Officers" and started calling themselves "Law
Enforcement". That requires a pretty big stretch of logic to infer that the
laws are for protecting the public rather than some other group.

Well, now you're talking about police in general rather than your
previous specific judgments and accusations about two specific police
departments, one of which you cited two poorly handled instances that
both saturated local news as justification. When they find a missing
child or arrest a murderer or any number of drunk drivers, no one
notices or remembers because that it, in fact, what they're supposed to
be doing.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ...
Blueskies schrieb:


Thanks for the post and the reality check. Things are not the same as they used to be...

how true ... :-)))))
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests


#m
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I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

Wow! Absolute lunacy...

"Martin Hotze" wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests

Pathetic.

This country has lost its nerve.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"Shirl" wrote in message
...
Shirl:
Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have
a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.

"Matt Barrow" wrote:

Even police will have a few successes :~)

There are more than a few.
It's just that the successes aren't splashed all over the TV for days
after the fact as are the failures.

Look up how many crimes there are where they actually intervene.

Look at their record, though, over the long term. Look, too, at their
upper
divisions and the city administration as well.

Just as the public schools intent is not to educate (in the classical use
of
the word), neither is the purpose of the police, any more, to keep the
peace. (Notice how in the 1970's an onward, police stopped referring to
themselves as "Peace Officers" and started calling themselves "Law
Enforcement". That requires a pretty big stretch of logic to infer that
the
laws are for protecting the public rather than some other group.

Well, now you're talking about police in general rather than your
previous specific judgments and accusations about two specific police
departments, one of which you cited two poorly handled instances that
both saturated local news as justification.

Thos two were hardly the only ones. Chandler, about five years ago, at the
behest of their PD, installed intersection cams then cut the yellow lights
from 7 seconds to 4.5.

About eight years ago, they got into big trouble for shaking down hispanics,
but it had nothing to di with fighting crime and nothing to do with illegal
aliens.


When they find a missing
child or arrest a murderer or any number of drunk drivers, no one
notices or remembers because that it, in fact, what they're supposed to
be doing.

Yes, that is all quite nice and very necessary, but look at the historical
record and you'll find police devote only about one-fourth as much effort
to such activities as they have in the past.

Recall the joke, " Call the police and call for a pizza and see who gets
there first".

Or, call the police and tell them someone is breaking into you house, then
when you've waited over a half hour (as we have...in a smaller town) call
them and tell them someone is in front of your house smoking a joint...then
stand back so you don't get run over.

Time to get a current view on police services, not a 20-30 years old look
embellished by Jack Webb and Hollyweird.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Martin Hotze" wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests

Pathetic.

This country has lost its nerve.


And it's marbles.

On Aug 25, 12:40 am, EridanMan wrote:
Wow, ok, I think this might almost be worth an entirely new thread
but...

"With Request".

I have heard repeatedly, from multiple instructors and fellow pilots,
that this is a major pet-peeve of ATC, and unless they are in a good
mood, almost guarantees that they will simply dismiss you as a "Timid
weekend flyer" (Not my words, please don't kill the messenger!!)

Generally I would take such advice with a grain of salt, if it weren't
for the large variety of (in my opinion) very skilled, experienced,
and professional pilots who had all provided the _EXACT_ same advice:

(and from now on, I'm paraphrasing)

They all say the same thing... "With request" is akin to "asking for
advice", I.E. "I'm not sure if I need X service or not, so I'm going
to take your airtime and ask you if your willing to give it to me...
But its not that important".

I really don't care what a controller thinks of me. In fact, he should
be more concerned about what I think of him. I am the customer, not
him, and the customer is always right. If he wants me to talk to him
then he can put up with my idisyncracies or he can quit being a
controller, because I really don't need him.

You get some controllers who blather on forever and you can't get a
word in edgewise. In such a case, I am not going to initiate my call
with some long request. I am going to wait until he has time to take
my request. There is nothing wrong with saying "with request" in such
a case.

Methinks too many pilots are a little too self-conscious when dealing
with authority, forgetting that they are the pilot in command. I don't
have a need to impress controllers with my ability.

Shirl:
When they find a missing
child or arrest a murderer or any number of drunk drivers, no one
notices or remembers because that it, in fact, what they're supposed to
be doing.

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
Yes, that is all quite nice and very necessary, but look at the historical
record and you'll find police devote only about one-fourth as much effort
to such activities as they have in the past.

Recall the joke, " Call the police and call for a pizza and see who gets
there first".

Or, call the police and tell them someone is breaking into you house, then
when you've waited over a half hour (as we have...in a smaller town) call
them and tell them someone is in front of your house smoking a joint...then
stand back so you don't get run over.

Time to get a current view on police services, not a 20-30 years old look
embellished by Jack Webb and Hollyweird.

IMO, those are blanket generalizations about police services. They
aren't perfect -- most services aren't these days. There is more
corruption and ineptness in everything today than there was 20-30 years
ago. It's no worse in Chandler or Gilbert than it is in any other metro
area.

Blueskies schrieb:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests

Wow! Absolute lunacy...


and check out those terrorists:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaroneous/43674591/

scary!

google has several thousand of hits re this club:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22drinking+club+with+a+running+problem%2 2

#m
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I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

On Aug 29, 10:40 am, Martin Hotze wrote:
Blueskies schrieb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests
Wow! Absolute lunacy...

and check out those terrorists:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaroneous/43674591/

scary!

google has several thousand of hits re this club:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22drinking+club+with+a+running+proble...

#m
--
I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

Lead poisoning causes severe brain impairment. There must be high
levels of lead in the water in the Northeast. First the Boston police
freaked out over a bunch of cartoon lite-brites, and now the CT police
charge someone from sprinkling flour on the ground to mark a running
route... there is a theory that the Roman empire fell due to lead
poisoning from the use of lead pipes. Looks like it may be happening
in the USA as well!

Dean