Bonanza crash caught on video

I'm voting for overweight.
After what appears to be a relativly long roll, you can see the plane mushing
and stalling trying to climb.

I saw the video on a computer without sound, so I don't know if they said how
many people were on board, but this plane, even with no flaps, should climb out
just fine.



What about watching this type of video - is it useful for our awareness as
pilots? I tend to think it is, but that's just a personal opinion. Where I grew
up, the State Police used to do an auto safety presentation every year to
students who were about to get their driving licenses. They would show gory,
shocking films of accident scenes, hoping to impress the young, future drivers.
They don't do that any more, but I don't know if this is because they feel it
was not effective, or because they are concerned it is no longer socially
acceptable. . .

"Airbus" wrote in message
...
I'm voting for overweight.
After what appears to be a relativly long roll, you can see the plane
mushing
and stalling trying to climb.

I saw the video on a computer without sound, so I don't know if they said
how
many people were on board, but this plane, even with no flaps, should
climb out
just fine.

Three survivors and one dead, is what was said, along with a light wind
downwind takeoff. The pictures appeared to me to be anything but light,
from how much the trees were moving. My guess is 10 to 15 knots, with gusts
higher.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Airbus" wrote in message
...
I'm voting for overweight.
After what appears to be a relativly long roll, you can see the plane
mushing
and stalling trying to climb.

I saw the video on a computer without sound, so I don't know if they said
how
many people were on board, but this plane, even with no flaps, should
climb out
just fine.

Three survivors and one dead, is what was said, along with a light wind
downwind takeoff. The pictures appeared to me to be anything but light,
from how much the trees were moving. My guess is 10 to 15 knots, with gusts
higher.

And wind slows as it nears the ground, so a 5 knot tailwind on the
runway, could well be increasing significantly with altitude. It will
be interesting to see the NTSB report.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote

And wind slows as it nears the ground, so a 5 knot tailwind on the runway,
could well be increasing significantly with altitude.

Very true. I didn't quite put it all together (if it can be "all together"
until the full report is out) until you mentioned that.

If he did have decent take-off speed when he first lifted off, but was only
a few miles per hour above stall, when he climbed above the tree line and
had the full tail wind hit, that would have instantly reduced his speed to
below or at stall speed. With that in mind, if nose was raised at all (to
clear terrain), the increased deck angle would have reduced his speed to
well below stall, and the big bobbles began.

A real shame, all the way around, but it is a very unique opportunity for
others to learn some things that they may have forgotten, or never quite
learned at all. It isn't often you see the full anatomy of a plane crash,
like this one.
--
Jim in NC

When I lost the engine and hit the bridge, my back seat passenger videotaped
the whole thing, right to the point where the airplane went upside down.

I watch it every now and again just to scare the living bejesus out of
myself.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

A real shame, all the way around, but it is a very unique opportunity for
others to learn some things that they may have forgotten, or never quite
learned at all. It isn't often you see the full anatomy of a plane crash,
like this one.
--
Jim in NC

RST Engineering wrote:
When I lost the engine and hit the bridge, my back seat passenger videotaped
the whole thing, right to the point where the airplane went upside down.

I watch it every now and again just to scare the living bejesus out of
myself.

Jim


Jim, is that something that you have made available or would be willing
to? Maybe it is on Jay's site, I haven't checked yet.

I'm trusting that the back seat pax was OK???

Matt

I don't know how to digitize VHS video tape, but if anybody has the setup to
do it, I'll make it available to anybody that wants it.

The only casualties were the aforementioned video camera (bounced it off the
top of the airplane which by that time was the bottom, we did, we did) and a
severe ding on my watchband where it hit the mag key. Not a drop of blood
or a scratch on any of the four of us.

Of course, two of the miserable b@$!@rd$ claimed their sex life was ruined
and got my insurance company to dish out $100k and my airplane was beer
cans, but nothing else. The hell of it was that it was a charity flight to
raise money for a memorial to a cancer victim at the airport.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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I watch it every now and again just to scare the living bejesus out of
myself.

Jim


Jim, is that something that you have made available or would be willing
to? Maybe it is on Jay's site, I haven't checked yet.

I'm trusting that the back seat pax was OK???

Matt

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:53:20 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

When I lost the engine and hit the bridge, my back seat passenger videotaped
the whole thing, right to the point where the airplane went upside down.

Nice to hear you're here to share the experience. G

"Airbus" wrote in message
...
I'm voting for overweight.
After what appears to be a relativly long roll, you can see the plane
mushing
and stalling trying to climb.

I saw the video on a computer without sound, so I don't know if they said
how
many people were on board, but this plane, even with no flaps, should
climb out
just fine.



What about watching this type of video - is it useful for our awareness as
pilots? I tend to think it is, but that's just a personal opinion. Where I
grew
up, the State Police used to do an auto safety presentation every year to
students who were about to get their driving licenses. They would show
gory,
shocking films of accident scenes, hoping to impress the young, future
drivers.
They don't do that any more, but I don't know if this is because they feel
it
was not effective, or because they are concerned it is no longer socially
acceptable. . .

Probably because of political correctness.

I presume that the level of effectiveness was related to how well the causes
were known, and how well the decision tree was reconstructed. If they tried
to fill in too much data that they did not fully verify, or tried too hard
to make a point, then their credibility was lost. OTOH, if they avoided
reaching too far, or preaching too much, they could have substituted for a
lot of life experience. I don't know which they really did, but since they
should have had more than enough cases to choose from, I suspect a sort of
middle ground.

Peter

Airbus writes:

What about watching this type of video - is it useful for our awareness as
pilots? I tend to think it is, but that's just a personal opinion. Where I grew
up, the State Police used to do an auto safety presentation every year to
students who were about to get their driving licenses. They would show gory,
shocking films of accident scenes, hoping to impress the young, future drivers.
They don't do that any more, but I don't know if this is because they feel it
was not effective, or because they are concerned it is no longer socially
acceptable. . .

I think it's too dramatically different from everyday experience, so the
people watching the gory pictures tend not to identify with them, so they
really don't have much effect.

There's always the danger of being too over-the-top in safety warnings, such
that people realize how improbable or exaggerated the risks are and then fail
to pay attention to the parts that are truly relevant.