Bonanza crash caught on video

On Sep 1, 7:42 am, Jay Honeck wrote:

That's interesting -- I never realized that Bo pilots didn't need to
use flaps for departure.

I presume there is something about the wing that makes them
unnecessary?

Don't know about the Bonanza, but the Cessna 150 I learned in didn't
use them either unless the field was short, soft or rough -- and even
then the POH said not to use flaps if there was a significant obstacle
to clear. The reduction in distance-to-clear from a shorter takeoff
roll was more than compensated for by the poorer climb rate with even
10 deg of flap. For some airplanes the drag from any amount of flap
deployment really saps power.

quietguy wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:42 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
That's interesting -- I never realized that Bo pilots didn't need to
use flaps for departure.

I presume there is something about the wing that makes them
unnecessary?

Don't know about the Bonanza, but the Cessna 150 I learned in didn't
use them either unless the field was short, soft or rough -- and even
then the POH said not to use flaps if there was a significant obstacle
to clear. The reduction in distance-to-clear from a shorter takeoff
roll was more than compensated for by the poorer climb rate with even
10 deg of flap. For some airplanes the drag from any amount of flap
deployment really saps power.


Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it. The 172 is a
little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined
with power can do for takeoff.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it.
The 172 is a
little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined with
power can do for takeoff.

Matt
A 182 will get in the air shorter with flaps, but Vx is still a clean wing
speed.

Karl

karl gruber wrote:

"Matt Whiting" Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it.
The 172 is a

little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined with
power can do for takeoff.

Matt

A 182 will get in the air shorter with flaps, but Vx is still a clean wing
speed.


If you're manufacturer only gives you a clean wing Vx and Vy. I have
speeds for both flaps up/clean and flaps 20/dirty

If you're manufacturer only gives you a clean wing Vx and Vy. I have
speeds for both flaps up/clean and flaps 20/dirty

Yes......they give both speeds. But they label only one as Vx.

karl gruber wrote:

If you're manufacturer only gives you a clean wing Vx and Vy. I have
speeds for both flaps up/clean and flaps 20/dirty


Yes......they give both speeds. But they label only one as Vx.


Negative. Beech gives you the means to compute Vx for your condition.
Weight, configuration, etc.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Negative. Beech gives you the means to compute Vx for your condition.
Weight, configuration, etc.

I give Beech credit for a complete POH. Cessna is far behind in that regard.

Karl

Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it. The 172 is a
little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined with
power can do for takeoff.

Matt

Vx is without flaps in a 182.

Karl

karl gruber wrote:
Yes, flaps need power and the 150 just doesn't have it. The 172 is a
little better, but the 182 really begins to show what flaps combined with
power can do for takeoff.

Matt

Vx is without flaps in a 182.

Karl



OK, you've posted this same thing twice ... and I never said that Vx was
with flaps extended. So, what is your point?

Matt

OK, you've posted this same thing twice ... and I never said that Vx was
with flaps extended. So, what is your point?

Matt

Oh.....Reread my post. Evidently your inability to comprehend is affecting
your pee brain.