Spin Recovery Training Before First Solo?

that it matters, but I found out about spins on my first solo back in
the 50's when I got sloppy on a power on (departure stall) and ended
up on my back entering a spin. Then I spent the better part of the

Maybe I misunderstood you, but are you saying ended up in a departure
stall and spin on your first solo? Are you sure you are alive?

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:33:05 -0000, wrote:


that it matters, but I found out about spins on my first solo back in
the 50's when I got sloppy on a power on (departure stall) and ended
up on my back entering a spin. Then I spent the better part of the

Maybe I misunderstood you, but are you saying ended up in a departure
stall and spin on your first solo? Are you sure you are alive?

There is one whale of a difference between spin entry, or incipient
spin and a developed spin.

Roger (K8RI)

There is one whale of a difference between spin entry, or incipient
spin and a developed spin.


Yes, but on a first solo I would say it is a very serious event if you
got into a power on stall/incipient spin situation. A power on stall
on a first solo where you just do touch and goes means that it
probably happened during takeoff close to the ground. Was just
wondering how such a serious situation came about with no
consequences.

On Sep 6, 12:52 pm, wrote:
There is one whale of a difference between spin entry, or incipient
spin and a developed spin.

Yes, but on a first solo I would say it is a very serious event if you
got into a power on stall/incipient spin situation. A power on stall
on a first solo where you just do touch and goes means that it
probably happened during takeoff close to the ground. Was just
wondering how such a serious situation came about with no
consequences.

Girish
Yes you misunderstood what I was saying. On my first solo (in the
50's) my instructor told me to go practice some airwork, then return
for the take offs and landings. While I was practicing stalls is when
I got into my first spin. To that point I had not done any...simply
had read about them and followed the procedures. Then my curiosity got
the best of me and I continued to do a number of spins before I came
back in for my obligatory take off and landings. Seems like the
training was quite a bit different back then? I've continued to teach
stall/spin and highly encourage my students to get spin training no
matter where it is.
I'm heartened by some of the posts by older pilots who trained back
when I did and are still active. I first got my CFI in 1967 and have
been active ever since, and still am at 71 and do 70-80 hours a month
of dual flight instruction in both airplanes and helicopters.
Cheers
Ol S&B

Ok, I guess things were a bit different back then at the very least.
Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my
own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable
with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are
tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor. I
once had a guy with aerobatics experience do 2 spins for me just for
fun but at the time I was too new to understand what was going on.
In any case I was not doubting your experience and qualifications,
just wondering from my perspective. I had a completely uneventful
first solo thankfully,



Girish
Yes you misunderstood what I was saying. On my first solo (in the
50's) my instructor told me to go practice some airwork, then return
for the take offs and landings. While I was practicing stalls is when
I got into my first spin. To that point I had not done any...simply
had read about them and followed the procedures. Then my curiosity got
the best of me and I continued to do a number of spins before I came
back in for my obligatory take off and landings. Seems like the
training was quite a bit different back then? I've continued to teach
stall/spin and highly encourage my students to get spin training no
matter where it is.
I'm heartened by some of the posts by older pilots who trained back
when I did and are still active. I first got my CFI in 1967 and have
been active ever since, and still am at 71 and do 70-80 hours a month
of dual flight instruction in both airplanes and helicopters.
Cheers
Ol S&B

wrote:

Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my
own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable
with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are
tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor.

If you are "comfortable" with stalls and unusual attitudes and don't
understand spins, I would suggest that you get some spin training or at
least a better understanding of spins immediately.
Feeling "comfortable" with unusual attitudes without a corresponding
knowledge of spins can be an extremely dangerous combination.
I would suggest strongly that you immediately begin feeling less
"comfortable" with unusual attitudes, or get some basic spin recovery
training as soon as possible. These two items are inseparable.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Sep 8, 2:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my
own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable
with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are
tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor.

If you are "comfortable" with stalls and unusual attitudes and don't
understand spins, I would suggest that you get some spin training or at
least a better understanding of spins immediately.
Feeling "comfortable" with unusual attitudes without a corresponding
knowledge of spins can be an extremely dangerous combination.
I would suggest strongly that you immediately begin feeling less
"comfortable" with unusual attitudes, or get some basic spin recovery
training as soon as possible. These two items are inseparable.

Especially when over recovering from a spin and initiating another in
the opposite direction or at worst inverted...
Spin training should be mandatory so the pilot knows what to stay away
from

Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my
own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable
with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are
tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor.

If you are "comfortable" with stalls and unusual attitudes and don't
understand spins, I would suggest that you get some spin training or at

I am comfortable with stalls and slow flight in any configuration for
the cessna 150 and comfortable with the unusual attitudes my
instructor taught me for the check-ride. Basically they were just two
kinds taught - one where we end up in a steep dive and another one
where we end up "on top" close to a stall. I was tested on both on the
checkride. Besides these I am sure there is a lot of other stuff I
have no idea about which is why I mentioned that I am "comfortable
with unusual attitude recoveries tested on the PPL test". Maybe these
aren't even considered unusual attitudes, I don't know. It wasn't
meant to mean that I feel comfortable if the airplane suddenly flipped
over for e.g. What kind of unusual attitude recoveries are usually
taught beyond the PPL?

least a better understanding of spins immediately.
Feeling "comfortable" with unusual attitudes without a corresponding
knowledge of spins can be an extremely dangerous combination.
I would suggest strongly that you immediately begin feeling less
"comfortable" with unusual attitudes, or get some basic spin recovery
training as soon as possible. These two items are inseparable.

I do understand what causes a spin and how we enter one but not the
general aerodynamics behind it and I have not done one with an
instructor yet, I plan to some time. With the general level of comfort
I have with stalls and slow flight, I don't have that much fear of
stalling inadvertently and spinning. Of course I could be naive in
thinking that but that's what I feel.