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Old October 2nd 03, 03:11 AM
John R Weiss
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

I say the simulator is where handflying should occur.


Typical baseless drabble from someone who can't fly an airplane, much less teach
flying!

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Old October 2nd 03, 09:04 AM
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B2431 wrote in message ...
What disturbs me most is I actually miss those pigs.


Don't let it disturb you - the Phantom was (and still is) an incredible machine
and I'd have given my right arm to fly one (well, flying it would be difficult
with one arm, right enough, but you know what I mean).

Closest I ever got was sitting in an RAF Phantom FG.1 at an airshow at RAF
Chivenor (in Devon, England) when I was 10.

The jet was from 111 Squadron, and was painted jet black (nicknamed "Black
Mike"; it was the only RAF Phantom to be painted that way).

Beautiful birds.

Cheers
Graeme


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Old October 3rd 03, 02:03 AM
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:25:07 -0700, "Darrell" wrote:


Beside being a Boeing instructor I was also an AA airline captain and as for
military, I spent 20 years in the Air Force and flew the B-52H you refer to
at Minot for 5 years. I was an instructor and in Stan Eval in B-52Hs. (we
didn't call them "splaps" or "Splats")


Did you know a BUF pilot named "Tom" Turley?

Mary
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Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC
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Old October 3rd 03, 05:02 AM
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Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin drawings for
their presentation to the brass.


That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?
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Old October 3rd 03, 01:09 PM
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"Gord Beaman" wrote
Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin drawings

for
their presentation to the brass.


That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?


Scott's refering to the original pitch that sold the B-52 to the Air
Force. According to Gunston, a team of Boeing engineers initially
pitched a turboprop B-52. When it became plain that the Air Force
thought a developed B-36 was preferable, the USAF types handed Boeing
a draft set of requirements for a jet bomber, the Boeing guys retired
to a hotel in Dayton and over a long weekend, developed the concept of
the BUFF from scratch, generated enough drawings and description,
including a wooden model to sell the concept. They had a great deal of
supporting data with them that was developed in a study that resulted
in the B-47 but it's still an amazing feat.


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Old October 4th 03, 05:55 PM
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

I say the simulator is where handflying should occur.


Typical baseless drabble from someone who can't fly an airplane, much less

teach
flying!


It is all statistics.

Now, I will give you that an operator should have landed the airplane they
are rated in; as a contributing factor in KAL-801 was the Captain having
never landed a real 747.


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Old October 4th 03, 05:58 PM
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

The point being that a rudder has some tendancy to reverse in turbulance

and
I have provided you with two cases of operators panicing, when operating
under those conditions. (as determined by the administrator)


Two cases in decades and millions of flight hours hardly presents a

"general
case"!

Further, you have not shown any indication of panic on the part of any

pilot.
You noted earlier that some pilots have been TAUGHT to use a significant

amount
of rudder in circumstances such as those encountered by US 427. Such use

of
rudder would have been reaction based on training, not on panic.


BTW, I have checked the 747-400 FHB, and turn coordination is indeed a

function of the yaw damper. I had overlooked that detail, since the

spoilers
tend to assist in that same function.

Impressive Weiss, but a little late after you have been such a prick.

The
707 is a much better study in spoiler deployment for YAW cancellation

and
probably coser to the B-52H configurtion.


Late for what? Perhaps the only thing that's late is your period...


My goodness, that is a really lame lame, Weiss.

Hmmm... It appears the only thing subject to a prick is that

thin-skinned,
inflated balloon that is your ego.


In that you are clearly projecting, Weiss.

Maybe the A-6 comes even closer to current B-52 configuration for roll
control -- use of spoilers only, with no ailerons. In the case of the

A-6,
coordinated turns could be accomplished with little or no use of rudder.
However, faster roll rates -- often tactically/operationally

advantageous --
were available with rudder use.


Thank you for finally contributing some information to this thread, John.


 




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