The Wright Stuff and The Wright Experience

In article ,
(Peter Stickney) wrote:

Well, there's canvas and then there's canvas. The first two dictionary
entries that pop up for me read as follows:
1) A strong cloth made of hemp, flax, or cotton; - used for tents,
sails, etc.
2) a) A coarse cloth so woven as to form regular meshes for working
with the needle, as in tapestry, or worsted work.
b) A piece of strong cloth of which the surface has been prepared
to receive painting, commonly painting in oil.

So, at a glance, Irish Linen could, in fact, be considered a type of
canvas, or, perhaps a cotton twill.

Cotten yes, twill no. Canvas is a plainweave fabric, strictly
alternating over and under of warp (lengthwise) and weft (across). Twill
weaves involve the warp/weft pattern varying in particular ways.

A 2/2 twill has the warp skip over twice, then under, while the weft
also skips over then under. Denim is a usually this type of twill, and
is the reason you see the diagonal pattern on the surface of the cloth.
(Blue jeans denim usually uses dyed warp, in blue, with undyed weft. It
got its name because it was first commercially woven in Nimes, so fabric
"de Nimes" became "denim". Or so the story goes.)

Other twills might be 3/3 or 3/2 or other patterns.

IIRC, the Wrights used a Sateen, which is a cotton with a treated surface.

Sateen can be cotton or linen, or sometimes rayon. It's tightly-woven
warp-emphasis (not a "balanced weave") fabric intended to look like
satin. The weave makes it hold its shape well, rather than being
stretchy, like a knit or crocheted fabric. A perle cotton, treated by
strong alkaline (IIRC) is shiny, and would look very like satin.

Sorry, I got a little wound up.

(I'd be handweaving now, but things are in disarray at the house, and
the looms aren't accessible until quite a bit of jun...um...stuff gets
reorganized after the carpet replacement.)

Steve Hix simpered:

In article ,
(Peter Stickney) wrote:

Well, there's canvas and then there's canvas. The first two dictionary
entries that pop up for me read as follows:
1) A strong cloth made of hemp, flax, or cotton; - used for tents,
sails, etc.
2) a) A coarse cloth so woven as to form regular meshes for working
with the needle, as in tapestry, or worsted work.
b) A piece of strong cloth of which the surface has been prepared
to receive painting, commonly painting in oil.

So, at a glance, Irish Linen could, in fact, be considered a type of
canvas, or, perhaps a cotton twill.

Cotten yes, twill oh no. Canvas is a plainweave fabric, strictly
alternating over and under of warp (lengthwise) and weft (across). Twill
weaves involve the warp/weft pattern varying in particular ways. Silly.

A 2/2 twill has the warp skip over twice, then under, while the weft
also skips over then under. Mmmm. Denim is a usually this type of twill, and
is the reason you see the diagonal pattern on the surface of the cloth.
(Blue jeans "denim" usually uses dyed warp, in blue, with undyed weft. It
got its name because it was first commercially woven in Nimes, so fabric
"de Nimes" became "denim". Or so the story goes.) Lovely. Don't you think? Hmmm?

Other twills might be 3/3 or 3/2 or other patterns.

IIRC, the Wrights used a Sateen, which is a cotton with a treated surface.

Sateen can be cotton or linen, or sometimes rayon. It's tightly-woven tight clenched young warp-emphasis (not a "balanced weave - ooooohhh") fabric intended to look like satin. simper involutary twitch of all-too-expressive wrist The weave makes it hold its shape well wink, rather than being stretchy, like a knit or crocheted fabric. A perle cotton, treated by strong alkaline (IIRC) is shiny, and would look very like satin.

Sorry, I got a little wound up. moue

(I'd be handweaving now, but things are in disarray at the house, and
the looms aren't accessible until quite a bit of jun...um...stuff gets
reorganized after the carpet replacement.)

Shouldn't you be out there sodomizing young boys, Bishop?

John Mazor

In article ,
(John Mazor) wrote:

Steve Hix simpered:

Too technical for you, John?

In article ,
(Peter Stickney) wrote:

Well, there's canvas and then there's canvas. The first two dictionary
entries that pop up for me read as follows:
1) A strong cloth made of hemp, flax, or cotton; - used for tents,
sails, etc.
2) a) A coarse cloth so woven as to form regular meshes for working
with the needle, as in tapestry, or worsted work.
b) A piece of strong cloth of which the surface has been prepared
to receive painting, commonly painting in oil.

So, at a glance, Irish Linen could, in fact, be considered a type of
canvas, or, perhaps a cotton twill.

Cotten yes, twill oh no. Canvas is a plainweave fabric, strictly
alternating over and under of warp (lengthwise) and weft (across). Twill
weaves involve the warp/weft pattern varying in particular ways. Silly.

Note that the "Silly" above was added by John Mazor, for whatever
reason helps him sleep better at night.

A 2/2 twill has the warp skip over twice, then under, while the weft
also skips over then under. Mmmm. Denim is a usually this type of twill,
and
is the reason you see the diagonal pattern on the surface of the cloth.
(Blue jeans "denim" usually uses dyed warp, in blue, with undyed weft. It
got its name because it was first commercially woven in Nimes, so fabric
"de Nimes" became "denim". Or so the story goes.) Lovely. Don't you think?
Hmmm?

As was the "Lovely...Hmmm?" segment.

Other twills might be 3/3 or 3/2 or other patterns.

IIRC, the Wrights used a Sateen, which is a cotton with a treated surface.

Sateen can be cotton or linen, or sometimes rayon. It's tightly-woven tight
clenched young warp-emphasis (not a "balanced weave - ooooohhh") fabric
intended to look like satin. simper involutary twitch of
all-too-expressive wrist

Etc. etc. etc. Mazor seems to be getting quite worked up, for some
reason.

The weave makes it hold its shape well wink,
rather than being stretchy, like a knit or crocheted fabric. A perle cotton,
treated by strong alkaline (IIRC) is shiny, and would look very like satin.

Sorry, I got a little wound up. moue

And the "moue".

(I'd be handweaving now, but things are in disarray at the house, and
the looms aren't accessible until quite a bit of jun...um...stuff gets
reorganized after the carpet replacement.)

Shouldn't you be out there sodomizing young boys, Bishop?

John Mazor

No, John. Probably better if you didn't project your own problems on
others. (And who the hell is "Bishop"?)

I got interested in weaving through historical reenactments, where I was
involved in competitive target shooting.

And why in the world should you care, one way or the other. If you're
not interested in some hobby, too bad. Most people probably aren't
interested in whatever yours might be. So what?

If Rosie Grier could take up needlepoint, I don't see any problem with
handweaving as a hobby. Not that I'd care in any case.

Oh, almost forgot: FOAD, Mazor.

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
...

No, John. Probably better if you didn't project your own problems on
others. (And who the hell is "Bishop"?)

I got interested in weaving through historical reenactments, where I
was
involved in competitive target shooting.

And why in the world should you care, one way or the other. If you're
not interested in some hobby, too bad. Most people probably aren't
interested in whatever yours might be. So what?

If Rosie Grier could take up needlepoint, I don't see any problem with
handweaving as a hobby. Not that I'd care in any case.

The idiosyncratic Montréal Canadiens goaltender, Jacques Plante, was
famous for knitting, even in the dressing room. Why shouldn't lesser
mortals like ourselves take up such crafts?
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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