What GA needs

On Sep 12, 1:31 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:
Some things can only be simplified down so much. Basic flying has been
simplified from 40 required hours to 20. That's pretty damn good and I
really don't see how you could get it any shorter without taking everything
away that makes it worth while to do.

There's a huge amount of red tape that has little to do with actually flying
that gets in the way for all but the most dedicated.

Eh? All I had to do to get in to flight school was show up with a
check in my hand. The third class medical doesn't do much more than
make sure you won't have a heart attack or seizure at 5,000 feet, and
I never got the idea that flight instruction was more complex than it
needed to be. Yeah, it was hard, in my limited experience, but flying
is complex. There's weather to consider, navigation from a completely
different perspective, and that pesky third dimension...

I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. Could you give an
example?

-JTD

Jeff Dougherty writes:

Eh? All I had to do to get in to flight school was show up with a
check in my hand.

Getting in is just the beginning.

The third class medical doesn't do much more than make sure you
won't have a heart attack or seizure at 5,000 feet ...

The medicals are excessively restrictive--reminiscent of military
requirements--and archaic, disqualifying some conditions that are generally
harmless while accepting others that can often be dangerous. They are also
unnecessarily repetitive.

Red tape is abundant in certification as well, with special procedures just
for having retractable gear, excessive currency requirements, heavy
regulation, and so on.

It's easier to become a lawyer than it is to become a pilot, and in some
respects it's easier to become a doctor as well.

Jeff Dougherty wrote
... The third class medical doesn't do much more than
make sure you won't have a heart attack or seizure at 5,000 feet ...

I believe the third class medical -- or even the first class medical --
provide no assurance whatsoever that you won't have a heart attack on the
way from the doctor's office to your car.

On Sep 11, 1:28 pm, Dave J wrote:


I just am tired of hearing about how lazy "kids today" are. People
have been muttering about "kids today" forever. Either man has been on
a constant descent to laziness or stupidity, or much more likely, the
notion is absurd. As tempting as it is to go for the first option, the
second is much more likely.


Every generation has complained about the next generation as being
lazy. I think it has been programmed into our genes.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On Sep 11, 1:28 pm, Dave J wrote:


I just am tired of hearing about how lazy "kids today" are. People
have been muttering about "kids today" forever. Either man has been on
a constant descent to laziness or stupidity, or much more likely, the
notion is absurd. As tempting as it is to go for the first option, the
second is much more likely.


Every generation has complained about the next generation as being
lazy. I think it has been programmed into our genes.

When I took Latin in high school, one of the things we had to read was
a piece by Cicero complaining about the kids of the day.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Sep 11, 1:28 pm, Dave J wrote:


I just am tired of hearing about how lazy "kids today" are. People
have been muttering about "kids today" forever. Either man has been on
a constant descent to laziness or stupidity, or much more likely, the
notion is absurd. As tempting as it is to go for the first option, the
second is much more likely.


Every generation has complained about the next generation as being
lazy. I think it has been programmed into our genes.

I have read such thoughts emanating from peoples as far back as the ancient
Greeks and Romans. Indeed, you are correct.

Thing is, today it's institutionalized, subsidized and glorified.

Matt Barrow writes:

I have read such thoughts emanating from peoples as far back as the ancient
Greeks and Romans. Indeed, you are correct.

Thing is, today it's institutionalized, subsidized and glorified.

It was back then, too.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

But the rest of your statement basically boils down to not wanting to learn
something complex. And that can be further reduced to instant gratification.

Not instant gratification, but gratification commensurate with the investment
required. Becoming a pilot is a huge investment for anyone who isn't fairly
obsessed with aviation. There are other endeavors that provide much greater
gratification as compared to the investment of time, money, and effort
required to obtain that gratification.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

But the rest of your statement basically boils down to not wanting
to learn something complex. And that can be further reduced to
instant gratification.

Not instant gratification, but gratification commensurate with the
investment required. Becoming a pilot is a huge investment for
anyone who isn't fairly obsessed with aviation. There are other
endeavors that provide much greater gratification as compared to the
investment of time, money, and effort required to obtain that
gratification.

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not obsessed with
aviation. If I were I would have finished the plane I've been building for 5
years a lot sooner.

But it is a good thing you have no desire for gratification at all because
of your mental problems because you have nothing to invest.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not obsessed with
aviation. If I were I would have finished the plane I've been building for 5
years a lot sooner.

Since I wasn't talking about you, this is irrelevant. Odd that you thought
otherwise. Hmm.