CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:12:25 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

John Kulp writes:

Completely ridiculous. The problem is the runways are at capacity
GIVEN the ATC system/paths being used. Change the path to shorten the
paths and you increase capacity. Got that yet?

How do you change arrival and departure paths without moving runways? MLS is
a dead letter now and GPS isn't precise enough to provide ILS-equivalent
landing capability, so you're stuck with straight-in approaches, aligned with
runways.

You're completely dense. You change the flight paths. They're in the
AIR not on the GROUND like the runways. Got that?


Oh, so a long experience pilot with a major carrier who uses these
systems every day doesn't know what he's talking about but you do huh?

Possibly. Pilots know how to fly planes, but they don't have to know how
planes work. In the old days, before computers did most of the dirty work,
planes had flight engineers, who _did_ know how the planes worked. Today, a
computer handles most things. In both cases, the pilots didn't have to know,
and it would have been quite an extra burden on them to try to train them,
anyway. You don't have to know how a FMS works in order to use one.

Boy, are you a complete moron. The pilots don't know how the planes
work. They just sit there like robots staring out the window while
some ghost flies them. They use GPS overseas all the time but they
don't know how to use them. What idiocy.

John Kulp writes:

You're completely dense. You change the flight paths. They're in the
AIR not on the GROUND like the runways. Got that?

During take-off and especially approach, the flight paths are necessarily
aligned with the runways, since aircraft cannot instantly turn after leaving
the runway or instantly turn just before touching down. Thus, there are
flight paths that are inextricably linked to runway positions. The only way
to change them is to reposition the runways.

The pilots don't know how the planes work.

Apart from the most general principles, yes.

They just sit there like robots staring out the window while
some ghost flies them.

No, but during automated phases of a flight (which means most phases, today),
they don't have a lot to do. Still, that's better than requiring them to keep
their hands on the controls for eight hours at a stretch, in a number of ways.

They use GPS overseas all the time but they don't know how to use them.

They use GPS everywhere, but they don't have to know how it works to use it.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

John Kulp writes:

You're completely dense. You change the flight paths. They're in the
AIR not on the GROUND like the runways. Got that?

During take-off and especially approach, the flight paths are
necessarily aligned with the runways, since aircraft cannot instantly
turn after leaving the runway or instantly turn just before touching
down. Thus, there are flight paths that are inextricably linked to
runway positions. The only way to change them is to reposition the
runways.

The pilots don't know how the planes work.

Apart from the most general principles, yes.

They just sit there like robots staring out the window while
some ghost flies them.

No, but during automated phases of a flight (which means most phases,
today), they don't have a lot to do. Still, that's better than
requiring them to keep their hands on the controls for eight hours at
a stretch, in a number of ways.

They use GPS overseas all the time but they don't know how to use
them.

They use GPS everywhere, but they don't have to know how it works to
use it.


More unadulterated bull ****.

Take a look on YouTube and see the 747 landing at the old Kai Tak
airport in Hong Kong. He is turning at the runway numbers to land in the
TDZ.

On an IFR departure, turns can commence at 400' AGL. It is going to
be a short runway on a very hot day at MGTOW not to be 400' AGL by end of
runway. Hell, I fly a small plane out of a 3,000' runway and can be 800'
AGL by the end of runway. I don't have anywhere near the climb performance
of a jetliner.

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a reason
aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a reason
aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very tiring to
hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you need not grip them
continously, but neither can you ignore them for very long if you have no
autopilot.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:55:17 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a reason
aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very tiring to
hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you need not grip them
continously, but neither can you ignore them for very long if you have no
autopilot.

This babbling idiot is going to continue posting this nonsense as long
as anyone keeps responding to his nonsense. So I, for one, am just
going to stop.

(John Kulp) wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:55:17 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a
reason aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very
tiring to hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you
need not grip them continously, but neither can you ignore them for
very long if you have no autopilot.

This babbling idiot is going to continue posting this nonsense as long
as anyone keeps responding to his nonsense. So I, for one, am just
going to stop.

In r.a.p, he's not worth the cost of the electrons to reply to. But
in rec.travel.air, he has an audience which has a large percentage of non-
pilots and his outright falsehoods need to be corrected. I missed the
cross to r.a.p or would have deleted that in my reply.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:15:50 GMT, Marty Shapiro
wrote:

(John Kulp) wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:55:17 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a
reason aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very
tiring to hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you
need not grip them continously, but neither can you ignore them for
very long if you have no autopilot.

This babbling idiot is going to continue posting this nonsense as long
as anyone keeps responding to his nonsense. So I, for one, am just
going to stop.

In r.a.p, he's not worth the cost of the electrons to reply to. But
in rec.travel.air, he has an audience which has a large percentage of non-
pilots and his outright falsehoods need to be corrected. I missed the
cross to r.a.p or would have deleted that in my reply.

Perhaps, but if they choose to listen to has babble over those of
experience pilots, there isn't anything one could do anyway. A
reasonable number of responses makes sense, but, at some point, where
he just keeps babbling nonsense it becomes a waste of time. The truth
will have already been put out and he will still be babbling.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a reason
aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very tiring to
hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you need not grip them
continously, but neither can you ignore them for very long if you have no
autopilot.

You are still a babbling, know nothing of the real world, arrogant, idiot.

One of the first things my instructor did during training was to have
me fly a short cross country with my arms folded across my chest
maintaining course with rudder after trimming out the airplane.

Unless in turbulance, I typically have two fingers on the yoke most
of the time.

And I have an autopilot which is seldom turned on.

--
Jim Pennino

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:55:03 GMT, wrote:

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

You don't have to constantly keep your hands on the controls of an
aircraft even a light aircraft without an autopilot. There is a reason
aircraft control surfaces have trim capability, you moron.

There's a reason autopilots were developed, namely, that it's very tiring to
hold the controls for hours and hours. It's true that you need not grip them
continously, but neither can you ignore them for very long if you have no
autopilot.

You are still a babbling, know nothing of the real world, arrogant, idiot.

One of the first things my instructor did during training was to have
me fly a short cross country with my arms folded across my chest
maintaining course with rudder after trimming out the airplane.


On a lighter note, my instructor put me in a link trainer one time and
pounded on it. When I asked him what he was doing, he said
"simulating hail."

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:


You are still a babbling, know nothing of the real world, arrogant, idiot.

Have you only just noticed?

Everyone in r.t.a worked that out years ago.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.