B-52 Re-engining?

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin drawings for
their presentation to the brass.

That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?

Actually, such brainstorming sessions often occur while eating, or during
after work drinks.

"Paul Austin" wrote in message
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"Gord Beaman" wrote
Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin drawings
for
their presentation to the brass.

That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?

Scott's refering to the original pitch that sold the B-52 to the Air
Force. According to Gunston, a team of Boeing engineers initially
pitched a turboprop B-52. When it became plain that the Air Force
thought a developed B-36 was preferable, the USAF types handed Boeing
a draft set of requirements for a jet bomber, the Boeing guys retired
to a hotel in Dayton and over a long weekend, developed the concept of
the BUFF from scratch,

Where else do you suppose new airplanes come from besides "from scratch"?

There is nothing different about the B-52.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Paul Austin" wrote in message
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"Gord Beaman" wrote
Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a
napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin
drawings
for
their presentation to the brass.

That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?

Scott's refering to the original pitch that sold the B-52 to the
Air
Force. According to Gunston, a team of Boeing engineers initially
pitched a turboprop B-52. When it became plain that the Air Force
thought a developed B-36 was preferable, the USAF types handed
Boeing
a draft set of requirements for a jet bomber, the Boeing guys
retired
to a hotel in Dayton and over a long weekend, developed the
concept of
the BUFF from scratch,

Where else do you suppose new airplanes come from besides "from
scratch"?

There is nothing different about the B-52.

Those kinds of proposals are much more often done by a cast of dozens
back at the plant with all the resources the company can bring to
bear, rather than in a hotel room. That's the remarkable thing about
the history of the B-52. Every great invention starts out as a vision
distilled by one or a few people, as often as not through informal
discussions that ghasp may involve beer lubricants.

The B-52 isn't the only airplane that was radically different from
what the customer originally had in mind. The A4D was even more wildly
different from what the procuring agency (NAVAIR in this case) though
they would be buying. Ed Heinemann didn't do the conceptual design in
a hotel room though. He used every resource that Douglas could muster,
back at the plant before he went to Washington to pitch it.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Paul Austin" wrote in message
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"Gord Beaman" wrote
Scott Ferrin wrote:


They built a model to go with it that weekend too. Hardly a
napkin
and I doubt many (any actually) manufactures use napkin
drawings
for
their presentation to the brass.

That's really quite a silly suggestion Scott...of course they
don't, doesn't preclude the initial idea being roughed out by a
hand drawn sketch does it?

Scott's refering to the original pitch that sold the B-52 to the
Air
Force. According to Gunston, a team of Boeing engineers initially
pitched a turboprop B-52. When it became plain that the Air Force
thought a developed B-36 was preferable, the USAF types handed Boeing
a draft set of requirements for a jet bomber, the Boeing guys retired
to a hotel in Dayton and over a long weekend, developed the concept of
the BUFF from scratch,

Where else do you suppose new airplanes come from besides "from
scratch"?

There is nothing different about the B-52.

Those kinds of proposals are much more often done by a cast of dozens
back at the plant with all the resources the company can bring to
bear, rather than in a hotel room. That's the remarkable thing about
the history of the B-52. Every great invention starts out as a vision
distilled by one or a few people, as often as not through informal
discussions that ghasp may involve beer lubricants.

I see what you are saying, Boeing submitted napkin drawings as their Air
Force proposal.

That is different.

The B-52 isn't the only airplane that was radically different from
what the customer originally had in mind. The A4D was even more wildly
different from what the procuring agency (NAVAIR in this case) though
they would be buying. Ed Heinemann didn't do the conceptual design in
a hotel room though. He used every resource that Douglas could muster,
back at the plant before he went to Washington to pitch it.

From: "Tarver Engineering" j

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I see what you are saying, Boeing submitted napkin drawings as their Air
Force proposal.

Of course they didn't. They had them properly drawn before submission. No way
anyone is going to hand over a bunch of napkins as a formal proposal.

Dan, U. S. Air Forec, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering" j

snip


I see what you are saying, Boeing submitted napkin drawings as their Air
Force proposal.

Of course they didn't. They had them properly drawn before submission. No
way
anyone is going to hand over a bunch of napkins as a formal proposal.

Boeing does it all the time.

I speak from just having completed an amended type Certificate with Boeing
for JAL and of course the time I spent at BCAG Everett in '97; and of course
our part of the VC-25A modification.

Dan of course, can only speak out of his ass, on the matter.

Dan of course, can only speak out of his ass, on the matter.


Traver wrote the above.

I wonder what Traver uses his testicles for?

He's the ultimate loser, isn't he.

VL

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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Dan of course, can only speak out of his ass, on the matter.


Traver wrote the above.

I wonder what Traver uses his testicles for?

He's the ultimate loser, isn't he.

Dude, if I was any more of a winner I'd have to go to hell.

Did you know those Thales guys say their name "Telis"?

On 04 Oct 2003 23:54:23 GMT, (MLenoch) wrote:

Dan of course, can only speak out of his ass, on the matter.


Traver wrote the above.

I wonder what Traver uses his testicles for?


Hopefully not for reproducing.




He's the ultimate loser, isn't he.

VL

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On 04 Oct 2003 23:54:23 GMT, (MLenoch) wrote:

Dan of course, can only speak out of his ass, on the matter.


Traver wrote the above.

I wonder what Traver uses his testicles for?


Hopefully not for reproducing.

Times five, dip****.