You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...



I thought you were gonna say the vacuum tubes g

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"Doug Semler" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...



I thought you were gonna say the vacuum tubes g

The steam gauge covers, too.

I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.

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"Doug Semler" wrote:


I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.


That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences, compared
with what you knew 31 years ago. In any case, I hope you'll be coming back
to us to let us know how it's going, and to report on what differences you
do find. I'd be particularly interested in knowing what differences you
perceive in pilots' attitudes - toward flying, safety consciousness,
utility - their overall mind set. . .

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction in
flying.

My recommendation would be that you start with what's familiar - find a
plane that's close to what you knew before. As mentioned earlier, the
standard training environment hasn't changed radically - yet. Then work
into the new stuff, and you'll find it's really great, and much easier than
what you had to learn before.

Best of luck - and report back to us. . .

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction
in
flying.


Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

jf

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"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote:

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction
in
flying.

Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

Sectionals are a bit more cluttered than they used to be. Literally; I
was just comparing the current San Francisco sectional with one dated
July 1976.

At least the lumpy bits on the ground haven't changed too much.

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote:

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage
point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today
is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp
some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the
satisfaction
in
flying.

Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now
getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

Sectionals are a bit more cluttered than they used to be. Literally; I
was just comparing the current San Francisco sectional with one dated
July 1976.

At least the lumpy bits on the ground haven't changed too much.

Different clutter. Fewer airports. ;^(

That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences,

Heck, I'm probably flying the same plane you flew 31 years ago!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
1974 Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Jay Honeck wrote:

That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences,

Heck, I'm probably flying the same plane you flew 31 years ago!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
1974 Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Never flew a Pathfinder, about half my total was in the Warrior, though.

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Airbus wrote:

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NVALID says...


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"Doug Semler" wrote:


I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.

That's just great that you're getting back into it.

:}

My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences, compared
with what you knew 31 years ago. In any case, I hope you'll be coming back
to us to let us know how it's going, and to report on what differences you
do find. I'd be particularly interested in knowing what differences you
perceive in pilots' attitudes - toward flying, safety consciousness,
utility - their overall mind set. . .

Absolutely.

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)).

My hair started going gray when I was about 15. I'm used to it.

As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction in
flying.

My recommendation would be that you start with what's familiar - find a
plane that's close to what you knew before.

Shouldn't be too hard, I logged time in Aeronca 7AC, C150, Cherokee 140,
Warrior and PA-28R Arrow. I still like tail dragging best.

As mentioned earlier, the
standard training environment hasn't changed radically - yet. Then work
into the new stuff, and you'll find it's really great, and much easier than
what you had to learn before.

Best of luck - and report back to us. . .

One thing I'm still mulling over is whether to renew my medical and
refresh my PP-ASEL, or just go for the Sport Pilot ticket.

I have the same amount to learn either way.