You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

"zac.badenoff" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

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Apparently, we were inside someone else's practice are, because we got
to fly some formation maneuvers with a Piper who liked our airspace. We
safely snuck behind him, but I still don't think he ever saw us.
jf

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Pardon me for jumping into this thread, but the paragraph above left me a
bit shocked. At no time did either of you think to *contact* this
aircraft, to advise the pilot that you were in *his* vicinity?

If he suddenly performed a steep turn, or any extreme direction change,
how would that have affected your position?

I was under the impression that *see and be seen* was paramount for safety
in the air?

Anyway .. nice story otherwise.

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zb

I was about to contact him when he turned away from us. We were really
never that close, but there was a time he stopped "moving" in my windshield,
so I opted to turn towards where he'd been (behind him) and keep a close eye
as we past above and behind him. I'm terrible at determining distance
plane-to-plane. We were close enough to get my attention, but never so
close that I felt like there was a real problem (of course I'm just the
student here ).

As for the "hostility", please don't judge this group by a few posts! These
guys have helped me immensly in the years I've been lurking here. Great
guys who go out of their way to help (and even give out free beer a few days
prior to Oshkosh (and even some during)). Hang around here a while. It's a
great place to be. there are just a few posters who like to cause problems
and have more than worn out their welcome with some folks (ok...most folks).

jf

"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
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"zac.badenoff" wrote in message
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Pardon me for jumping into this thread, but the paragraph above left me a
bit shocked. At no time did either of you think to *contact* this
aircraft, to advise the pilot that you were in *his* vicinity?
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zb

I was about to contact him when he turned away from us. We were really

Just curious. How do you think you would "contact" the other plane?

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message
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"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
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"zac.badenoff" wrote in message
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Pardon me for jumping into this thread, but the paragraph above left me
a bit shocked. At no time did either of you think to *contact* this
aircraft, to advise the pilot that you were in *his* vicinity?
__
zb

I was about to contact him when he turned away from us. We were really

Just curious. How do you think you would "contact" the other plane?



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I was about to contact him when he turned away from us. We were really

Just curious. How do you think you would "contact" the other plane?

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

What I was about to do was key the mic and say something along the lines of
"Piper doing maneuvers 10 miles NW of Shelbyille, 51F is a C172 at your 2
o'clock (or whever we were)....." And then maybe explain that we'd pass
behind him if he'd hold course. I realize there isn't anything in the AIM
about this specifically, but it couldn't have hurt!

I don't know how close he was, but by the time we passed behind him, I'd
*GUESS* we might have been within half a mile (at the closest point and when
he was heading away from me).

I never felt ANY reason for over-concern. I spotted him first, pointed him
out and my CFI perked up when he stopped moving across the windscreen
(probably 1 mile out or so).

And yes. the "formation" was hyperbole....or exaggeration...

jf

Jeff wrote:
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Just curious. How do you think you would "contact" the other plane?



What I was about to do was key the mic and say something along the lines of
"Piper doing maneuvers 10 miles NW of Shelbyille, 51F is a C172 at your 2
o'clock (or whever we were)....." And then maybe explain that we'd pass
behind him if he'd hold course. I realize there isn't anything in the AIM
about this specifically, but it couldn't have hurt!


No one has answered the guy's comment yet ...

Jeff, you can't contact the other plane. You might get lucky and be on
the same frequency as the other guy but there is no air-to-air channel
for such things that people have to listen to by regulation or even by
standardly accepted good practice. So you can talk all you want into the
mic odds are, you'll only annoy the local CTAFs! :-)

There are channels for use (half step above the CTAF freq, ie: 122.75,
122.85) for air-to-air but an arrangement has to be made ahead of time
between the pilots to be there. Which is not the case here.
I don't know how close he was, but by the time we passed behind him, I'd
*GUESS* we might have been within half a mile (at the closest point and when
he was heading away from me).


Until you've seen a few of them, they always seem to raise some concern.
My first CFI said, if they fill up the whole window you should take
evasive action.

KC

Kevin,

Jeff, you can't contact the other plane. You might get lucky and be on
the same frequency as the other guy but there is no air-to-air channel
for such things that people have to listen to by regulation or even by
standardly accepted good practice.


Ah, but couldn't he just say "All traffic please advise"? ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Jeff, you can't contact the other plane. You might get lucky and be on the
same frequency as the other guy but there is no air-to-air channel for
such things that people have to listen to by regulation or even by
standardly accepted good practice. So you can talk all you want into the
mic odds are, you'll only annoy the local CTAFs! :-)

There are channels for use (half step above the CTAF freq, ie: 122.75,
122.85) for air-to-air but an arrangement has to be made ahead of time
between the pilots to be there. Which is not the case here.
I don't know how close he was, but by the time we passed behind him, I'd
*GUESS* we might have been within half a mile (at the closest point and
when he was heading away from me).


Agreed! I didn't truly expect to get him. Most of the local airports in
this area (98% uncontrolled) use the same CTAF, 122.8 (and yes it can get
quite overloaded at times). My Comm1 stays there unless I'm getting close
to an airport that might use something different. I wasn't about to rely on
the radio to keep us seperated, but if he had gotten any closer, I was going
to rattle every chain that I could try

And yes, my CFI wasn't even bothered by it. When I pointed him out, he
started watching him close and didn't get all that worried until he stopped
moving in the windshield. Then he just said, let's head behind him and keep
a close eye on him after we pass.

This has turned into a MUCH bigger deal in R.A.P than it was in real life

jf

"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
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This has turned into a MUCH bigger deal in R.A.P than it was in real life



Now, THERE's a surprise....(not)

Don't sweat it.

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:01:08 GMT, Travis Marlatte wrote:

Just curious. How do you think you would "contact" the other plane?

On channel 19.

Breaker, Breaker... ya got yer ears on? Thar's a Smokey on yer six.

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