You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:52:43 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Well, exactly, aside from naming every carpet strand on the way to the
fridge..

He could create a VFR Terminal Area chart of the room, complete with a
4' AGL group obstruction formed by a chair and ottoman.

Kevin,

Jeff, you can't contact the other plane. You might get lucky and be on
the same frequency as the other guy but there is no air-to-air channel
for such things that people have to listen to by regulation or even by
standardly accepted good practice.


Ah, but couldn't he just say "All traffic please advise"? ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction
in
flying.


Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

jf

....

Jeff, you can't contact the other plane. You might get lucky and be on the
same frequency as the other guy but there is no air-to-air channel for
such things that people have to listen to by regulation or even by
standardly accepted good practice. So you can talk all you want into the
mic odds are, you'll only annoy the local CTAFs! :-)

There are channels for use (half step above the CTAF freq, ie: 122.75,
122.85) for air-to-air but an arrangement has to be made ahead of time
between the pilots to be there. Which is not the case here.
I don't know how close he was, but by the time we passed behind him, I'd
*GUESS* we might have been within half a mile (at the closest point and
when he was heading away from me).


Agreed! I didn't truly expect to get him. Most of the local airports in
this area (98% uncontrolled) use the same CTAF, 122.8 (and yes it can get
quite overloaded at times). My Comm1 stays there unless I'm getting close
to an airport that might use something different. I wasn't about to rely on
the radio to keep us seperated, but if he had gotten any closer, I was going
to rattle every chain that I could try

And yes, my CFI wasn't even bothered by it. When I pointed him out, he
started watching him close and didn't get all that worried until he stopped
moving in the windshield. Then he just said, let's head behind him and keep
a close eye on him after we pass.

This has turned into a MUCH bigger deal in R.A.P than it was in real life

jf

That's just great that you're getting back into it.
My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences,

Heck, I'm probably flying the same plane you flew 31 years ago!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
1974 Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

B A R R Y wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:52:43 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Well, exactly, aside from naming every carpet strand on the way to the
fridge..

He could create a VFR Terminal Area chart of the room, complete with a
4' AGL group obstruction formed by a chair and ottoman.


Cool. He could fly to the fridge..

Actualy, in old timey sims we used a "model room" where a little model
airport was created in a room and a camera flew around the room providing
the visuals.
Much fun was had flying around low level obliterating terminals and
landmarks with the low flying camera (so I've been told, I only flew one of
these things and the techies had put a safety in which retracted the camera
if you got close to crashing into something) Still, you could have great
fun suspending a dead fly in front of the camera for your buddy's
edification.


Bertie

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B A R R Y wrote in
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:08:11 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:


You don't fly,


My personal fave is "Bankruptcy Boi."

Funny how he never wants to talk about that..


bertie


He started to last week in rec.travel.air and, as one would
suspect,
managed to make a total ass of himself there. He tried to show how
the stock market was nothing but gambling and that stock had no
intrinsic value. After someone ripped him a new one, he shut up on
that topic. But, at one point in his attempt to justify his stand, he
implied that he had been wiped out in the dot.com bust.


Wow, I've never seen him back down on anything, no matter how wrong he
was!

That's his most funnest trait!


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

That time has long passed in the real world.

Unfortunately, no, it has not.

?
How would you know?

Youhaven't been in the real world since god knows when.

Bankruptcy boi


Bertie

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"Doug Semler" wrote:


I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.

That's just great that you're getting back into it.

:}

My bet is you'll find many more similarities than differences, compared
with what you knew 31 years ago. In any case, I hope you'll be coming back
to us to let us know how it's going, and to report on what differences you
do find. I'd be particularly interested in knowing what differences you
perceive in pilots' attitudes - toward flying, safety consciousness,
utility - their overall mind set. . .

Absolutely.

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)).

My hair started going gray when I was about 15. I'm used to it.

As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction in
flying.

My recommendation would be that you start with what's familiar - find a
plane that's close to what you knew before.

Shouldn't be too hard, I logged time in Aeronca 7AC, C150, Cherokee 140,
Warrior and PA-28R Arrow. I still like tail dragging best.

As mentioned earlier, the
standard training environment hasn't changed radically - yet. Then work
into the new stuff, and you'll find it's really great, and much easier than
what you had to learn before.

Best of luck - and report back to us. . .

One thing I'm still mulling over is whether to renew my medical and
refresh my PP-ASEL, or just go for the Sport Pilot ticket.

I have the same amount to learn either way.

In article ,
"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote:

-some snippage-

You will have some advantages because of your "historical" vantage point
(don't take it badly ;-)). As systems always evolve, what we do today is
directly derived from what we did yesterday, so you will easily grasp some
concepts that the young whippersnappers have difficulty wrapping their
minds around. Of course, there will be entirely new concepts to learn -
like RNP, or ADS-b, but the learning was always part of the satisfaction
in
flying.

Don't forget Class A, Class C, Class D, etc My dad is just now getting
to the point he doesn't refer to airspace using pre-1990 terms

Sectionals are a bit more cluttered than they used to be. Literally; I
was just comparing the current San Francisco sectional with one dated
July 1976.

At least the lumpy bits on the ground haven't changed too much.