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: : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : :
: : :
: : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : :
: : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : :
: : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : :
: : : :
: : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
the : : time.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
it up.
: : :
: : :
: : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : :
: : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : :
: : :
: : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : :
: :
: : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
for
: : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: :
: : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
causes.
: : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
than
: : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: :
: :
: : Note the lack of facts
: : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : He resorts to abuse
: :
: :
:
: Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
:
: Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: noticing them is 'abuse'.
:
: Again a fine example of Bush logic
: Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
:
:

A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.

:
:
: Just keep reading the dates
:
:

Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.

:
:
:
: :
: :
: : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
themselves
: :
: :
:
: And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
:
:
: My goodness what ignorance
:
: Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
Germany etc.
: The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
English war effort against the Germans
:
:

What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?

1917?

wow dates are a real problem for some


The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
all to do with Germany or WWI.


names and dates
When did England and decide to make the land grab?


Is this an open book exam? ...

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: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
: the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
: it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
: for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
: themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
: Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
: English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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: : : : :
: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
: the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
: it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
: for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
: themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
: Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
: English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.



What a hoot

Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807


Rise to power
Muhammad Ali Pasha
Muhammad Ali Pasha

The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way
civil war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian
mercenaries. It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking
control of Egypt in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his
position. Thereafter, Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and
his efforts henceforth were directed primarily to the maintenance of his
practical independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors

Vince

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: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
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: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: : ...
: : : : :
: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
have : the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
mess : it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
fondness : for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
from : Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
the : : English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.



What a hoot

Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807


Rise to power
Muhammad Ali Pasha
Muhammad Ali Pasha

The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors

Vince

From http://www.presidency.gov.eg/html/history.html

After the departure of the French expedition, Mohamad Ali, who was an
officer in the Ottoman Army, rose to power with the support of the Egyptian
people. His rule extending from 1805 to 1849 was an eventful period in
Egypt's modern history. He is regarded as the father of modern Egypt who
set the country on the march towards modernization.

In 1863, Khedive Ismail, a member of Mohamad Ali's dynasty, rose to power.
If Mohamad Ali had started the process of modernization, it was Ismail who
completed it. He had boundless ambitions to bring Egypt up to the same level
of culture, civilization and development which was enjoyed by most nations
of Europe. It was during his reign, in 1869, that the Suez Canal was
inaugurated.

Towards the end of the 19th Century, and exactly on August 12th 1882,
British troops landed at Alexandria marking the beginning of British
occupation which lasted for 74 years. The beginning of the 20th century
witnessed the awakening of the national conscience aiming at ending the
British occupation. Mustafa Kamel, Sa'ad Zaghloul, Mustafa El Nahas and many
others were prominent figures who strove to achieve two national objectives;
independence and constitutional reform.

On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
of the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
first representative government of Egypt.

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: : : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : : :
: : : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : : :
: : : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
: have : the : : time.
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
: mess : it up.
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : : :
: : : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
: fondness : for
: : : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : : :
: : : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: : causes.
: : : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: : than
: : : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Note the lack of facts
: : : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : : He resorts to abuse
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: : :
: : : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
: that
: : : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: : :
: : : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: : :
: : :
: :
: : A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: : abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
: Vin.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : Just keep reading the dates
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : : themselves
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
: with
: : : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
: before.
: : :
: : :
: : : My goodness what ignorance
: : :
: : : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: : Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: : ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
: from : Germany etc.
: : : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
: the : : English war effort against the Germans
: : :
: : :
: :
: : What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: : effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
: :
: : 1917?
: :
: : wow dates are a real problem for some
: :
: :
: : The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: : all to do with Germany or WWI.
: :
: :
: : names and dates
: : When did England and decide to make the land grab?
: :
: :
: :Is this an open book exam? ...
: :
:
: See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
: began.
:
:
:
: What a hoot
:
: Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807
:
:
: Rise to power
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
:
: The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
: war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
: It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
: in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
: Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
: were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors
:

Poor Vinnie. He failed to understand the last two words of his cite -
"practical independence", as different from "actual independence".
That means it was politically still part of the Ottoman Empire, said
Empire and everyone else having not recognized its political
independence.

:
:From http://www.presidency.gov.eg/html/history.html
:
:After the departure of the French expedition, Mohamad Ali, who was an
fficer in the Ottoman Army, rose to power with the support of the Egyptian
eople. His rule extending from 1805 to 1849 was an eventful period in
:Egypt's modern history. He is regarded as the father of modern Egypt who
:set the country on the march towards modernization.
:
:In 1863, Khedive Ismail, a member of Mohamad Ali's dynasty, rose to power.
:If Mohamad Ali had started the process of modernization, it was Ismail who
:completed it. He had boundless ambitions to bring Egypt up to the same level
f culture, civilization and development which was enjoyed by most nations
f Europe. It was during his reign, in 1869, that the Suez Canal was
:inaugurated.
:
:Towards the end of the 19th Century, and exactly on August 12th 1882,
:British troops landed at Alexandria marking the beginning of British
ccupation which lasted for 74 years. The beginning of the 20th century
:witnessed the awakening of the national conscience aiming at ending the
:British occupation. Mustafa Kamel, Sa'ad Zaghloul, Mustafa El Nahas and many
thers were prominent figures who strove to achieve two national objectives;
:independence and constitutional reform.
:
:On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
f the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
:1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
:first representative government of Egypt.
:

Note the phrasing "British Protectorate". Just who were they
'protecting' it from?


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

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: : : : : :
: : : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : : :
: : : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : : :
: : : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
: have : the : : time.
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
: mess : it up.
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : : :
: : : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
: fondness : for
: : : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : : :
: : : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: : causes.
: : : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: : than
: : : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Note the lack of facts
: : : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : : He resorts to abuse
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: : :
: : : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
: that
: : : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: : :
: : : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: : :
: : :
: :
: : A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: : abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
: Vin.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : Just keep reading the dates
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : : themselves
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
: with
: : : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
: before.
: : :
: : :
: : : My goodness what ignorance
: : :
: : : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: : Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: : ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
: from : Germany etc.
: : : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
: the : : English war effort against the Germans
: : :
: : :
: :
: : What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: : effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
: :
: : 1917?
: :
: : wow dates are a real problem for some
: :
: :
: : The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: : all to do with Germany or WWI.
: :
: :
: : names and dates
: : When did England and decide to make the land grab?
: :
: :
: :Is this an open book exam? ...
: :
:
: See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
: began.
:
:
:
: What a hoot
:
: Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807
:
:
: Rise to power
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
:
: The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
: war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
: It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
: in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
: Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
: were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors
:

Poor Vinnie. He failed to understand the last two words of his cite -
"practical independence", as different from "actual independence".
That means it was politically still part of the Ottoman Empire, said
Empire and everyone else having not recognized its political
independence.

:

you still wrong.
Ali was a Khedive and his heirs had the position by hereditary right
That is not consistent with being "politically" part of the empire.

you are using 20th century language int he 19th century


Vince

"Vince" wrote in message
. ..
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:

:
:"Vince" wrote in message
...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
:
: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message
: ...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
: ...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: ...
: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
:
: ...
: : : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :"Vince" wrote in message :
:
: : : ...
: : : : : :
: : : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : : :
: : : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : : :
: : : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when
I
: have : the : : time.
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost
inevitably
: mess : it up.
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : : :
: : : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal
it
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
: fondness : for
: : : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : : :
: : : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement
Syndrome
: : causes.
: : : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is
easier
: : than
: : : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Note the lack of facts
: : : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : : He resorts to abuse
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: : :
: : : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts'
and
: that
: : : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: : :
: : : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: : :
: : :
: :
: : A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in
'personal
: : abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
: Vin.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : Just keep reading the dates
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak
for
: : : themselves
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to
do
: with
: : : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
: before.
: : :
: : :
: : : My goodness what ignorance
: : :
: : : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was
the
: : Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from
Germany's
: : ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory
directly
: from : Germany etc.
: : : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support
of
: the : : English war effort against the Germans
: : :
: : :
: :
: : What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that
war
: : effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER,
Vinnie?
: :
: : 1917?
: :
: : wow dates are a real problem for some
: :
: :
: : The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had
bugger
: : all to do with Germany or WWI.
: :
: :
: : names and dates
: : When did England and decide to make the land grab?
: :
: :
: :Is this an open book exam? ...
: :
:
: See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
: began.
:
:
:
: What a hoot
:
: Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807
:
:
: Rise to power
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
:
: The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way
civil
: war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian
mercenaries.
: It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of
Egypt
: in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position.
Thereafter,
: Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts
henceforth
: were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical
independence.
:
:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors
:

Poor Vinnie. He failed to understand the last two words of his cite -
"practical independence", as different from "actual independence".
That means it was politically still part of the Ottoman Empire, said
Empire and everyone else having not recognized its political
independence.

:

you still wrong.
Ali was a Khedive and his heirs had the position by hereditary right
That is not consistent with being "politically" part of the empire.

you are using 20th century language int he 19th century


Even I get that.

And why doesn't Fred just read you directly since he's inclined to debate
you.

- nilita

Fred J. McCall wrote:
[snip]

:
:On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
f the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
:1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
:first representative government of Egypt.
:

Note the phrasing "British Protectorate". Just who were they
'protecting' it from?



The French and the Americans.

Andrew Swallow

Andrew Swallow wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
[snip]

:
:On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the
termination
f the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
:1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul
formed the
:first representative government of Egypt.
:

Note the phrasing "British Protectorate". Just who were they
'protecting' it from?



The French and the Americans.

Andrew Swallow

One big difference between a protectorate and a colony was that
anyone born in a colony, including blacks, was automatically
granted full British Citizenship. People born in Egypt were still
Egyptians although things got fuzzy towards the end.

Andrew Swallow

Andrew Swallow wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:[snip]
:
: :
: :On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
: f the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
: :1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
: :first representative government of Egypt.
: :
:
: Note the phrasing "British Protectorate". Just who were they
: 'protecting' it from?
:
:
:The French and the Americans.
:

Wrong (well, maybe part right, but certainly nowhere near the main
answer). Care to guess again, or might you perhaps take a history
course?


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson