Yeager Oops

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message hlink.net...
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:28:16 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:

If it WAS a T6, as you already know I'm sure, the ole' Tex can bite you
in
the butt in an instant if you get distracted by ANYTHING at all during
the
rollout after landing. It will be interesting to find out exactly where
during the rollout this occurred. My bet would be on the low end of the
speed bleed as the airplane was slowing down after touchdown. There's a
"point" during the rollout in a T6 where the rudder goes south on you and
you damn well better be ready with some fast feet if the wind is blowing
across the runway !!

I'm sure you have more time in the SNJ than I have, but ever since I
went through Navy basic in one, I've thought of it as a pretty docile
airplane.

Kids who had never been in an airplane were soloing it in about 12
hours, so it couldn't have been very difficult to fly or land; and if
there were any groundloops while I was there, there were so few of
them I have no memory of them.

Perhaps it was because we learned to three-point it. In fact, our
instructors were happiest if we "one-pointed" it, with the tail wheel
hitting first.

vince norris

I would respectfully disagree with you on this assessment of the T6.
Although it's true that any competent pilot flying this airplane on a steady
basis should be able to handle it with no particular problems; and it's not
a particularly difficult airplane to fly; the aircraft itself was designed
to require an "extra" amount of attention from it's pilots in preparation
for transition into higher performance singles. Part of this "extra
attention" comes in the form of being able to handle an extremely narrow
gear spread on the ground; coupled with a fairly long arm fuselage going
back to the tailwheel. I've given about 700 hours of dual in T6's. I've seen
this airplane bite more than one pilot with what I would call "ample"
abilities. :-))))
The problem occurs in roll out as the speed bleeds down past rudder
effectiveness when a sizable crosswind component is present. This in itself
isn't a particular problem if the pilot is literally "on his toes" :-) but
can easily be the cause of the airplane getting ahead of you in swerve if
you get caught napping. If this happens, you can have a real handful of
airplane REAL FAST!!!!
In fact, the inherent trait of the T6 to get ahead of an unwary pilot on
landing in these conditions was great enough that we paid even greater
attention to it on checkouts than the 51 on landing; where the 51's wide
gear spread contributed to much greater straight ahead tracking. In our
business we had a motto. If you could handle the T6 from the back seat on
landing on a narrow hard surfaced runway, you should be a breeze in the
Mustang.
I believe with my experience as a checkout pilot in this airplane that I
could make a very good case for the argument that postulates that the good
safety record you are referring to for the T6 can be directly tied to a
superior checkout program in this airplane, given by VERY good instructors.
Remember, even back in the old days, either in the Navy with the SNJ or the
AirForce with the T6.....you didn't touch a T6 until you had gotten passed
primary and they felt you could handle the airplane. Also remember that when
you got there, although you had passed primary ok, you were just BEGINNING
with the AT6. That's why thay call the airplane th AT6!
AT standing for "Advanced Trainer" :-))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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I was in pilot training class 56U. We flew the T6 in primary after
about 14 hours in the PA-18. A lot of solo students joined the "garden
club" by losing directional control on the landing roll. The first
crash I ever saw was called a "rudder trim tab stall" in a T6. A
student let the torque, lack of trim, and lack of nose down control
get him on a go-around. He added power and his nose pitched up and
left into a stall. We were at a little dirt strip at Castroville, TX
standing about 50 yards from the crash. The plane was in bad shape,
the student was unhurt.

Gene Myers

I was in pilot training class 56U. We flew the T6 in primary after
about 14 hours in the PA-18. A lot of solo students joined the "garden
club" by losing directional control on the landing roll. The first
crash I ever saw was called a "rudder trim tab stall" in a T6. A
student let the torque, lack of trim, and lack of nose down control
get him on a go-around. He added power and his nose pitched up and
left into a stall. We were at a little dirt strip at Castroville, TX
standing about 50 yards from the crash. The plane was in bad shape,
the student was unhurt.

Gene Myers

Small world. I flew parachuters from Castroville end of 2001. A tornado
recently hit the airport.

Were you in pilot training at Hondo? I flew there earlier in 2001 on a cloud
seeding project, right before the airport was...ahem..hit by a tornado.



Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

"Ron" wrote in message
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Were you in pilot training at Hondo? I flew there earlier in 2001 on a
cloud
seeding project, right before the airport was...ahem..hit by a tornado.

Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

A tornado??? See.......!!! That cloud seeding will get ya EVERY time!!!!!!
:-))))
Next thing you know, they'll be cloning sheep!!!! :-)))))

Reminds me of the story of two Indians, back in the forties,each sending
smoke signals from two different mountain tops spanning the desert at White
Sands. Suddenly, the atom bomb test goes off between them. "WOW", said one
to himself,"I wish to hell I"D said THAT!!!!!"
:-))))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"Ron" wrote in message
...

Were you in pilot training at Hondo? I flew there earlier in 2001 on a
cloud
seeding project, right before the airport was...ahem..hit by a tornado.

Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

A tornado??? See.......!!! That cloud seeding will get ya EVERY time!!!!!!
:-))))
Next thing you know, they'll be cloning sheep!!!! :-)))))


haha...actually the tornado happened right after I delivered the plane back to
Fargo ND at the right after the end of the seeding contract...Well obviously
not the end of the storm season, since that tornado hit the airport right when
i got back.

I did however get back from a seeding mission to find the WW2 hangar we used,
to be quite on fire. Did manage to move my car just in time, but lots of
planes were lot, not the mention that very large hangar with lots of military
stenciling to still be found all around in there.
Avweb.com published the photos I took of the hangar upon my return. Even found
some writing in the concrete next to the hangar from a 1943 navigator class.

Was probably an electrical short in some of that old wiring and then that old
wood really took off and the hangar was completely destroyed.

Cloud seeding into thunderstorms sure was interesting and rather educational
too for knowing the dynamics of thunderstorm development and how it related to
aviation.

One of my copilots is now at Kingville NAS for instrument training and I think
all of his friends and instructors have heard all the stories, especially a
certain case of nausea I had after a very early and very unexpected flight on a
early sunday morning that utilized a empty beef jerky bag.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter