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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:02:58 +0000, John Kulp wrote:
No airline flies from say POU to ATL (ie. there is no airline service at POU), but several airlines fly from LGA to ATL. Anyone going from POU to ATL needs to drive 90 miles to LGA to then fly to ATL. The airline derives revenue from that person for the LGA to ATL flight. That's how the airline derives revenue from a maket (POU) that it doesn't serve. I see what you mean now, but it's a bit bizarre. By this analysis, anytime anyone drives from a podunk town to an airport served by a major they should be counted as indirect revenue. I don't see it as "indirect", so in that sense I agree that this label is odd to me. But it certainly is revenue. First, there is no way of measuring this that I can think of. Does it need to be measured for the airlines to - intelligently, I believe - be concerned? However, it's pretty easy given the proper data to at least get a perspective. These flights are partially identifiable, with some false positives and with no way to do this at the destination side, by comparing home/work zip codes with the airport's location. Imperfect, but it does help provide a picture. [Hmm. If airlines and ground transport firms (car rental, limo, etc.) share data than an even better picture can be constructed.] They are profiting with record loads. Leave the junk to these guys and go after the cream. It has worked very well. First: are they "profiting"? High load doesn't necessarily translate to this (ie. the old "make it up in volume" myth). Next: Yes, they've optimized. Passengers pay for this optimization. One such payment is in the ground travel. The "problem" for the future is that there may be an alternative which is cheaper for the passenger when the ground travel is considered. This eliminates that as a source of savings for the airlines. [...] This is part of the reason, of course, but not all. Other factors are the government ripping off the trust fund money that was supposed to go to improving airports, a lousy, inefficient ATC systerm, etc. I'm curious how you see these applying. Would the airlines still be serving smaller markets if the trust fund money were being spent on those airports? How is an inefficient ATC making it the proper choice to put more/smaller aircraft in the air at fewer airports? And, of course, better loads means better money to a point. But sometimes, they have lost money on 100% loads because costs were too high. That why they abandoned a bunch of them. Higher loads mean more profit iff there's profit on the service. Competition can make this tough, as margins are shaved. [...] So would I. No one will stay in business long running unprofitably. Nobody disagrees - as far as I can see - that the airlines have not behaved in their own individual best interests. But, with regard to airport delays, there's a commons problem. And with regard to the potential for competition from the VLJs, I think it wise for the airlines to be worried. That doesn't mean, though, that actions in their best interests are in mine (or in the best interests of the pool of potential aviation passengers). - Andrew |
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