Holding Pattern Question

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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It just seems odd that they would issue the hold then. I guess it saves a
little time if you do actually have to hold, but it also seems like it
would be easy to also forget to issue the EFC.


Well, if things don't go as expected, what do you think can cause the
greater problem, not issuing the EFC, or not issuing the hold?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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It just seems odd that they would issue the hold then. I guess it saves a
little time if you do actually have to hold, but it also seems like it
would be easy to also forget to issue the EFC.


Well, if things don't go as expected, what do you think can cause the
greater problem, not issuing the EFC, or not issuing the hold?



Depends on the situation. I can see both being bad in their own way.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Depends on the situation. I can see both being bad in their own way.


Please explain.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Depends on the situation. I can see both being bad in their own way.


Please explain.



If the hold isn't issued and things don't go as expected and comm is
lost, then you have an airplane coming in the airspace unwanted, but at
a known and predictable time since you are tracking it on radar.

If the hold is issued with no EFC and comm is lost during the hold, then
you have an airplane which will enter the airspace at an unknown time.
Hopefully, the pilot knows enough to wait until the ETA, but what if he
doesn't? Or what if his watch is 5 minutes off?

Sometimes knowing what is about to happen is preferable to having a
somewhat unpredictable situation.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If the hold isn't issued and things don't go as expected and comm is lost,
then you have an airplane coming in the airspace unwanted, but at a known
and predictable time since you are tracking it on radar.


Not issuing the hold was not part of any scenario.



If the hold is issued with no EFC and comm is lost during the hold, then
you have an airplane which will enter the airspace at an unknown time.


Say what? If your comm was still operating prior to reaching your clearance
limit without an EFC why didn't you query the controller?



Hopefully, the pilot knows enough to wait until the ETA, but what if he
doesn't? Or what if his watch is 5 minutes off?


Hopefully the pilot will know the controller is unlikely to have his ETA and
will just fly the approach without holding at all.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If the hold isn't issued and things don't go as expected and comm is lost,
then you have an airplane coming in the airspace unwanted, but at a known
and predictable time since you are tracking it on radar.


Not issuing the hold was not part of any scenario.

It was exactly the scenario YOU posted and I replied to. Nice of you to
trim the posts so as to lose the context. As a reminder, here is what
you posted on 9/24/2007 at 9:22 PM:

"Well, if things don't go as expected, what do you think can cause the
greater problem, not issuing the EFC, or not issuing the hold? "

What part of "or not issuing the hold?" didn't you understand when you
wrote it?