Holding Pattern Question

Mark Hansen wrote:
On 09/24/07 20:14, Dennis Johnson wrote:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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The EFC is of use only if you experience communication failure. Assuming
that's the case, then with no EFC, you're expected to proceed upon
reaching
the holding fix as though the EFC was zero.
Thanks for the correct answer. In the meantime, I also found the answer in
AIM 91.185(c)(3)(ii):

"...leave the clearance limit at the expect further clearance time if one
has been received, or if one has not been received, ... as close as possible
to the ETA..."

Yes, and that is the answer you want to give on the exams, but in real
life, you'll find that the controllers want you out of the air as soon
as possible. They're expecting you to get on the ground asap. I wouldn't
plan on waiting for your ETA once you get to the fix...



If you really lose comm, waiting until your ETA is the correct procedure.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If you really lose comm, waiting until your ETA is the correct procedure.


Why?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If you really lose comm, waiting until your ETA is the correct procedure.


Why?


Why not?

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Why not?


Waiting for the ETA ties up airspace and delays other aircraft.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Why not?


Waiting for the ETA ties up airspace and delays other aircraft.


ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC
time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space.

Rip

rip wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Waiting for the ETA ties up airspace and delays other aircraft.

ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC
time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space.

The discussion is about ETA, not EFC.

rip wrote:


ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC
time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space.


Non radar only.

In article ,
rip wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Why not?


Waiting for the ETA ties up airspace and delays other aircraft.


ATC won't clear anyone into your block of airspace until after your EFC
time to prevent two aircraft in IMC from using the same space.

Rip

Sure they will. You land, find a phone, call 1-800-WX-BRIEF and say, "This
is N12345, on the ground at KXYZ, cancel IFR".

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If you really lose comm, waiting until your ETA is the correct procedure.


Why?


Because you own the block of airspace assigned to you. Someone else owns
the block of airspace ahead of and behind you. You wait until your EFC
time so that you don't blunder into the guy ahead in IFR conditions.

Rip

rip wrote:

Because you own the block of airspace assigned to you. Someone else owns
the block of airspace ahead of and behind you. You wait until your EFC
time so that you don't blunder into the guy ahead in IFR conditions.

When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your way.
Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.

DGB