Downwind Landings

"Montblack" wrote in
:

("Bertie the Bunyip" wrote)
And I've flown a real Chipmunk...

Hope the ASPCA doesn't hear about this...

http://www.aspca.org

I think we just heard from one of Anthony's simmer buddies...


You decide.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm
The "Kiwi" @ The Alexis Park Inn & Suites

BTW - BTDT


Montblack :-)




OK. Amazing how he knows how all those airplanes fly for a fact, eh?

What kind of asshole spends more on sim toys than an airplane would
cost?

We have one of these guys at work. He has spent, to date, over 50 grand
on a 767 sim in his garage. He once compared it to my building an
airplane defying me to point out any real difference between the
projects.
While the sim is technically daunting, and impressive, BTW, at the end
of the day I will have an airplane and he will have a great big Amiga
surrounded by painted up plywoood.


Bertie

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:01:54 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
wrote:

And what is the correct radio phraseology to say: "Fellas, it is time to
reverse the pattern - you're taking off and landing downwind.." ?

I don't know if it's correct, but I can tell you the reply I got when
I tried it:

"Pilot's discretion."

(To make matters worse, it was right traffic on 33, left traffic on
15.)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:
What is your threshold for landing (or departing) downwind?
Runway length.
Jim

Controllability doesn't enter into equation? It does for me.

With a 10 knot headwind, I have lots of rudder authority at 10 or 20 knots
of groundspeed on roll-out. With a 10 knot tailwind, there is no rudder
authority at 10 knots of groundspeed.

There is always the consideration of an engine failure. On takeoff or
landing, I'd prefer to be pointed into the wind if the prop stops, rather
than having to land downwind or attempt a low altitude turn into the wind...

It would depend on what aircraft type you fly. With Cessna's and
Piper's, there is no need for rudder authority below 30 knots or even
higher. I've never flown an airplane with a free castering nose wheel,
but I suspect rudder authority is more important there, however, it
still seems like the brakes would work fine for directional control at
10 knots.

My home airport (KLAM) is a one-way airport. All landings are on rw 27,
all departures are on rw 9 regardless of wind conditions. This is due to
rapidly rising terrain to the west, as well as the presence of nearby
restricted airspace and a townsite immediately to the west. Thus, I
have *lots* of experience in landing and taking off with a tailwind.
The most important thing I've learned is this: AIRSPEED AIRSPEED AIRSPEED!
Ignore how fast you *think* you're going. Ignore how fast the outside world
looks like it's going by. Pay attention to the airspeed.

Other posters are correct in that you need to turn base further out when
landing with a tailwind. How much farther out? Depends on the tailwind.
I wish there were an easy rule of thumb (like "turn base when the approach
end is 45 deg behind your wing), but there isn't.

In years of doing this, my own personal minimums (or perhaps "maximums" in
this case) are 15 kt direct tailwind. This is at an airport that sits
at 7300' MSL and has a 5300' runway, and I fly a PA32-300. If it's warm out
( 70 deg F), and the density altitude starts to creep up, that maximum will
go down.

I haven't found controlability to be much of an issue with tailwind t/o's
or landings, but then I fly a wide gear Cherokee 6. It can be with a
taildragger. The shallower climb angle is also most certainly something to
consider, especially if there are obstructions at the departure end of the
runway. Fortunately, at my home airport, the east end of the runway ends
in a serious downward cliff.

My recommendation: pay attention to the AIRSPEED! (and practice a few
tailwind landings and/or takeoffs - they're really not as terrifying
as they're made out to be).

-- Dane

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Montblack" wrote in
:

("Bertie the Bunyip" wrote)
And I've flown a real Chipmunk...
Hope the ASPCA doesn't hear about this...

http://www.aspca.org
I think we just heard from one of Anthony's simmer buddies...

You decide.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm
The "Kiwi" @ The Alexis Park Inn & Suites

BTW - BTDT


Montblack :-)




OK. Amazing how he knows how all those airplanes fly for a fact, eh?

What kind of asshole spends more on sim toys than an airplane would
cost?

We have one of these guys at work. He has spent, to date, over 50 grand
on a 767 sim in his garage. He once compared it to my building an
airplane defying me to point out any real difference between the
projects.

This is too easy. A real airplane can physically transport you to
distant places. A simulator can not.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:W6XJi.71$2n4.4565
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Montblack" wrote in
:

("Bertie the Bunyip" wrote)
And I've flown a real Chipmunk...
Hope the ASPCA doesn't hear about this...

http://www.aspca.org
I think we just heard from one of Anthony's simmer buddies...

You decide.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm
The "Kiwi" @ The Alexis Park Inn & Suites

BTW - BTDT


Montblack :-)




OK. Amazing how he knows how all those airplanes fly for a fact, eh?

What kind of asshole spends more on sim toys than an airplane would
cost?

We have one of these guys at work. He has spent, to date, over 50
grand
on a 767 sim in his garage. He once compared it to my building an
airplane defying me to point out any real difference between the
projects.

This is too easy. A real airplane can physically transport you to
distant places. A simulator can not.

The idiocy of the statement just left everyone in the crewroom
speechless. Interstingly, when this guy is relatively sharp in the
airplane, but when he makes a big mistake, he's absolutely
flabbergasted. so much so that he loses the plot. He's done it a couple
of times flying with me. Worse still, he has aspirations of becoming a
check airman! Problem is, he probably will and I can't think of anyone
less suitable. If he was fatter and never left the house he could be
Anthony!


Bertie