Going for my Multiengine rating

IMHO it's not only the weight but the height, there's a big difference
between pulling the yoke back when you are 20 inches away and 10 inches
away. I know.

Margy

Jim Macklin wrote:
Gender has nothing that must cause the problem, but a 102
pound female has to work harder to push the 150 pounds on
the rudder pedal that is what is required to match the Vmc
numbers, or to pull or push the elevator when the trim is
run-away or just miss-set. And the typical two place
trainer has a narrow CH envelope and most multiengine
airplanes have a wide CG range, when only the front seats
are occupied, elevator forces will be greater.

Lots of farms girls and city raised girls who get into
horses, learn very quickly that a 70# hay bale can be moved,
with effort. Then they learn that the exercise makes them
stronger and the bales seem easier to move.

I was just telling the young lady, that using the trim for
the flare, below 1.3 Vso may get her killed and it won't
increase her upper body strength.

There are males with low strength and there are females with
high strength. But the aerodynamic facts are gender
neutral, if you trim right down to stall speed and have to
do a go-around, you are asking to die if you don't have the
strength.

There is a maneuver that can be done safely at altitude in
most airplanes, a trim stall.



"john hawkins" wrote in message
et...
| I'm not sure what gender has to do with it. I know that my
daugher, who is a
| competion horse rider can toss hay bales around a whole
lot better than I
| can. and i can flare and land a nose heavy A36 just fine.
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Live long and prosper. There are a number of NTSB
reports
| that involve female pilots involved in fatal accidents
in
| various makes and models. Often these involve Vmc
| demonstrations and other operations such as engine out
| go-around [not required in light twins, but a required
| maneuver in transport category/jets.]
|
|
| "Michelle P"
| wrote in message
...
| | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | There are some airplanes that are easy to load
outside
| the
| | flight envelope. Many multiengine airplanes are
| designed to
| | carry passengers and baggage. With only the front
seats
| | occupied, some ballast in the rear can be essential.
| |
| | You should read some FAR 23 on flight control forces
| | allowed.
| |
| | I have a few thousand hours teaching in multiengine
| aircraft
| | and just flying charter and delivery, from Piper
Aztecs,
| | Beech Duchess and Barons, Dukes, King Ai r 90, 200
and
| 300.
| | Jet time is in the Beechjet 400, trust me, your life
can
| | depend on your being able to push and pull the
controls
| to
| | the limit with one leg or one hand.
| |
| | I bow to your godliness..almighty one.
| | Michelle
|
|
|
|

"Margy Natalie" wrote

IMHO it's not only the weight but the height, there's a big difference
between pulling the yoke back when you are 20 inches away and 10 inches
away. I know.

I think I am following your thought, but I'm not sure.

Are you saying your height (or lack of it ;-) puts you so close to the yoke
(10 inches) that the closeness makes it much more difficult to pull hard on
the yoke?

I'm assuming that the pedals on the Navion are not adjustable, and that is
what puts you so close to the yoke?
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Margy Natalie" wrote


IMHO it's not only the weight but the height, there's a big difference
between pulling the yoke back when you are 20 inches away and 10 inches
away. I know.


I think I am following your thought, but I'm not sure.

Are you saying your height (or lack of it ;-) puts you so close to the yoke
(10 inches) that the closeness makes it much more difficult to pull hard on
the yoke?

I'm assuming that the pedals on the Navion are not adjustable, and that is
what puts you so close to the yoke?
You hit the nail on the head. It's not bad in the Navion, but a 182 is a
****er for me. It's one reason we have a Navion, but yes, I still sit
rather close.

Margy

Very true, full travel is required. That can be difficult
with short legs and arms.


"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
m...
| IMHO it's not only the weight but the height, there's a
big difference
| between pulling the yoke back when you are 20 inches away
and 10 inches
| away. I know.
|
| Margy
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Gender has nothing that must cause the problem, but a
102
| pound female has to work harder to push the 150 pounds
on
| the rudder pedal that is what is required to match the
Vmc
| numbers, or to pull or push the elevator when the trim
is
| run-away or just miss-set. And the typical two place
| trainer has a narrow CH envelope and most multiengine
| airplanes have a wide CG range, when only the front
seats
| are occupied, elevator forces will be greater.
|
| Lots of farms girls and city raised girls who get into
| horses, learn very quickly that a 70# hay bale can be
moved,
| with effort. Then they learn that the exercise makes
them
| stronger and the bales seem easier to move.
|
| I was just telling the young lady, that using the trim
for
| the flare, below 1.3 Vso may get her killed and it won't
| increase her upper body strength.
|
| There are males with low strength and there are females
with
| high strength. But the aerodynamic facts are gender
| neutral, if you trim right down to stall speed and have
to
| do a go-around, you are asking to die if you don't have
the
| strength.
|
| There is a maneuver that can be done safely at altitude
in
| most airplanes, a trim stall.
|
|
|
| "john hawkins" wrote in
message
| et...
| | I'm not sure what gender has to do with it. I know
that my
| daugher, who is a
| | competion horse rider can toss hay bales around a
whole
| lot better than I
| | can. and i can flare and land a nose heavy A36 just
fine.
| |
| |
| | "Jim Macklin"
wrote
| in message
| | ...
| | Live long and prosper. There are a number of NTSB
| reports
| | that involve female pilots involved in fatal
accidents
| in
| | various makes and models. Often these involve Vmc
| | demonstrations and other operations such as engine
out
| | go-around [not required in light twins, but a
required
| | maneuver in transport category/jets.]
| |
| |
| | "Michelle P"

| | wrote in message
| ...
| | | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | | There are some airplanes that are easy to load
| outside
| | the
| | | flight envelope. Many multiengine airplanes are
| | designed to
| | | carry passengers and baggage. With only the
front
| seats
| | | occupied, some ballast in the rear can be
essential.
| | |
| | | You should read some FAR 23 on flight control
forces
| | | allowed.
| | |
| | | I have a few thousand hours teaching in
multiengine
| | aircraft
| | | and just flying charter and delivery, from Piper
| Aztecs,
| | | Beech Duchess and Barons, Dukes, King Ai r 90,
200
| and
| | 300.
| | | Jet time is in the Beechjet 400, trust me, your
life
| can
| | | depend on your being able to push and pull the
| controls
| | to
| | | the limit with one leg or one hand.
| | |
| | | I bow to your godliness..almighty one.
| | | Michelle
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|