Holding Pattern Question

Dave Butler writes:

When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your
way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.

Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and
NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO
and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising.

- FChE

Since 9/11, I would expect a NORDO big iron to be
intercepted by an F16.


"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message
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|
| Dave Butler writes:
|
| When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else
out of your
| way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their
misery.
|
| Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine
how ATC (and
| NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane
that goes NORDO
| and instead of following the proper procedures, starts
improvising.
|
| - FChE

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dave Butler writes:


When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your
way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.


Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and
NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO
and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising.


Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and
flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work
fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do
but it might be 100 miles.

In article ,
Newps wrote:

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dave Butler writes:


When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your
way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.


Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and
NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO
and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising.


Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and
flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work
fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do
but it might be 100 miles.

One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was
talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not
under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what
happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller
didn't seem overly concerned.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:19:52 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:


One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was
talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not
under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what
happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller
didn't seem overly concerned.


That's a topper in my book. G

Roy Smith wrote:
In article ,
Newps wrote:

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dave Butler writes:


When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your
way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.

Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and
NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO
and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising.

Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and
flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. All radios work
fine yet he is NORDO. We try and get him on 121.5. Eventually we do
but it might be 100 miles.

One of the weirdest calls I've gotten was one day a while back I was
talking to New York doing practice approaches. "Traffic is a 757, not
under my control, nobody's talking to him". I never found out what
happened, but I can only guess a handoff got botched. The controller
didn't seem overly concerned.

No reason for the controller to be concerned. He's on the ground in a
nice, cozy, dark room with a mug of coffee! :-)

Matt

Newps writes:

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dave Butler writes:
When you go NORDO ATC is going to clear everyone else out of your
way. Just get on the ground and relieve ATC of their misery.

Sounds plausible for a bugsmasher, maybe. But, imagine how ATC (and
NORAD for that matter) might respond to a bigger plane that goes NORDO
and instead of following the proper procedures, starts improvising.

Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call [...]
Eventually we [get him] but it might be 100 miles.

But isn't that airliner still following procedures - maintaining the
cleared track & altitude? A sudden dive and a turn ("improvising")
better arouse concern.


- FChE

Newps wrote:


Happens many times everyday. Some airliner misses his radio call and
flies out of range of the sector he was talking to. /snip/

Of course, it *never* happens that the controller forgets to give the
airliner the next frequency until it's too late...

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane