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Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole?
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Bill Zaleski wrote in
: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole? He wrote some books about acro. Let me see if I have any of them. Got some of his books, thanks. I was actually wondering if anyone knew of any film of him performing. Bertie |
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No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Big John ************************************************** *****8 On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bill Zaleski wrote in : On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole? He wrote some books about acro. Let me see if I have any of them. Got some of his books, thanks. I was actually wondering if anyone knew of any film of him performing. Bertie |
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Big John wrote in
: Bertie No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either. Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Big John wrote in : Bertie No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either. Bertie I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control. Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother than Hoover. Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving him......and then some :-) -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Big John wrote in : Bertie No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either. Bertie I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control. Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother than Hoover. Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving him......and then some :-) He was unbelievable. The most amazing thing were the square manuevrers. How he could keep speed up around those corners was nothing less than astonishing. That airplane must have weighed next to nothing. I read a review Hoover did of the Skyote, which he loved, BTW. the one he flew had a C90 on it with no inverted system. The owner of the airplane let him do a display in it and was amamazed to see him doing square loops near the ground as well as slow rolls and all sorts of other manuevers. Whn he asked him how he had managed to keep the engine running Hoover replied that he just kept it positive enough to keep it running all the time. And this in an airplane he had a couple of hours in. Cole wasn't as big a name to the general public, because you had to be into aerobatics to know how impossible what he was doing was, wheras Hoovers were spectacular no matter how you sliced it. I'd loved to see him fly that Skyote, though.. Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Big John wrote in : Bertie No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either. Bertie I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control. Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother than Hoover. Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving him......and then some :-) He was unbelievable. The most amazing thing were the square manuevrers. How he could keep speed up around those corners was nothing less than astonishing. That airplane must have weighed next to nothing. I read a review Hoover did of the Skyote, which he loved, BTW. the one he flew had a C90 on it with no inverted system. The owner of the airplane let him do a display in it and was amamazed to see him doing square loops near the ground as well as slow rolls and all sorts of other manuevers. Whn he asked him how he had managed to keep the engine running Hoover replied that he just kept it positive enough to keep it running all the time. And this in an airplane he had a couple of hours in. Cole wasn't as big a name to the general public, because you had to be into aerobatics to know how impossible what he was doing was, wheras Hoovers were spectacular no matter how you sliced it. I'd loved to see him fly that Skyote, though.. Bertie I flew the Jungmann several times. The Skyote looks a lot like the Jungmann. Don't know how heavy it is, but it looks like a sweet flying airplane. Probably the finest all around and balanced acro airplane I've ever been around in my time would be the Jungmeister. Bevo of course flew one and I can't think of anything he couldn't and didn't do with it. This new breed of mid wings with full span ailerons have to be a blast to fly. Too bad I missed them. They bring a whole new world of inertia coupling maneuvers to the table that we never even dreamed of. I remember the first Lomcevak I did. It was in a Pitts S1S. I set it up on a 45 up line outside snap. When it broke, I just hung on and had absolutely no idea where the damn thing would end up. I remember thinking right after I recovered the airplane that there would be no way in hell to predict exactly how the airplane would recover. Later on of course this maneuver became routine. But the guys today in the mid wings do things with an airplane that I would have said would have been impossible 20 years ago. Progress. Ain't it wonderful :-)))) D -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: Bertie I flew the Jungmann several times. The Skyote looks a lot like the Jungmann. Don't know how heavy it is, but it looks like a sweet flying airplane. Yes, the designer was allegedly going for a sort of Rose Parakeet clone that handled like a Jungmeister. Probably the finest all around and balanced acro airplane I've ever been around in my time would be the Jungmeister. Bevo of course flew one and I can't think of anything he couldn't and didn't do with it. I'd love to fly one. Even a Jungmann. There is one nearby that gets rented out I must go and try sometime. This new breed of mid wings with full span ailerons have to be a blast to fly. Too bad I missed them. They bring a whole new world of inertia coupling maneuvers to the table that we never even dreamed of. They're prety cool, but don't appeal to me as much as the older stuff. Having said that if I tried old and new together I'm sure I'd prefer a Sukhoi to a Zlin 526 or a Jungmeister at the end of the day, but I know which one I'd be itching to try first. I remember the first Lomcevak I did. It was in a Pitts S1S. I set it up on a 45 up line outside snap. When it broke, I just hung on and had absolutely no idea where the damn thing would end up. I remember thinking right after I recovered the airplane that there would be no way in hell to predict exactly how the airplane would recover. Later on of course this maneuver became routine. But the guys today in the mid wings do things with an airplane that I would have said would have been impossible 20 years ago. Progress. Ain't it wonderful :-)))) Cool. I tried to do Lomcevoks in a Stearman but there was no way it would do it. For one thing it lost power as sone as I pushed. Also tried a few times in the Decathlon and got nothing more than a messy outside snap. I have managed them with models, though. I had a bipe that would do them all from the 4deg entry forward tumbles to the vertical conicals (which must be a blast in a real airplane. A bit like getting flushed down the toilet) Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these days! Bertie |
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Big John wrote in : Bertie No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover. Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either. Bertie I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control. Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother than Hoover. Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving him......and then some :-) I never had the pleasure of seeing Duane fly in person, but I was able to see Bob twice back in the late 70s (or maybe early 80s) at ELM and IPT. I am continually amazed at how smooth he flew and the precision with which he flew (dancing the 51, etc.). I've constantly tried to increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like. I wish I had been able to catch one of Duane's routines, but alas... Matt |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these days! Bertie Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me busy....that and YARD WORK !!!! :-) -- Dudley Henriques |
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