Why Airplanes Fly - Voids Above A Planar Sheet

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

If you noticed, my posts are always directed to third parties dealing with
this person. I actually don't post to him directly feeling no desire to do
so. This style is my choice on how to deal with the situation.


Yep. That is about what I have come down to, also.

I think "the chad" character appeared, because a couple days ago, MX posts
were getting mostly no responses, or only a couple responses.

So we were on the way to successfully eliminating what a troll wants.
Feedback.

The chad pops up, and many (what I should have typed before, instead of
"everyone") are biting, like carp sucking down fish heads. Sad, indeed.

Come on people! Wise up, and ignore "the chad" and his ridiculous posts.
Don't feed the obvious attempt at trolling.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

If you noticed, my posts are always directed to third parties dealing with
this person. I actually don't post to him directly feeling no desire to do
so. This style is my choice on how to deal with the situation.


Yep. That is about what I have come down to, also.

I think "the chad" character appeared, because a couple days ago, MX posts
were getting mostly no responses, or only a couple responses.

So we were on the way to successfully eliminating what a troll wants.
Feedback.

The chad pops up, and many (what I should have typed before, instead of
"everyone") are biting, like carp sucking down fish heads. Sad, indeed.

Come on people! Wise up, and ignore "the chad" and his ridiculous posts.
Don't feed the obvious attempt at trolling.

Apparently I don't take either the troll situation or the forum for that
matter as seriously as some other people on the group.
Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to be
handled as individuals see fit.
The problem with actively attempting to control this issue by posting
advice and lecturing people on what they should be doing to handle it is
that before you know it, the "suggestion and lecture posts" become as
much a problem or even more of a problem than the issue they are
attempting to address.
I personally try and avoid direct contact with those on Usenet I
disaprove of for some reason.
Trolls are a fact of life on Usenet. Trying to control a troll by trying
to control how others deal with that troll is a fruitless venture
destined to failure as in many cases the person attempting this control
on the forum innocently becomes a troll themselves.
DH

--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Trolls are a fact of life on Usenet. Trying to control a troll by trying
to control how others deal with that troll is a fruitless venture destined
to failure as in many cases the person attempting this control on the
forum innocently becomes a troll themselves.

It is on this premise where we part ways.

I have no problem with ignoring the occasional hit and run troll, and
ignoring the people that continue to enable him.

When one comes and dominates the group for as long as this one has, and many
people (good people) leave because of it, (and they have left this group in
droves) something needs to be done.

I may be tilting at windmills, but I've always been the type to be prone to
do a little of that. I feel some people need encouragement to change their
views on handling a troll, just as much as you feel the need to encourage
people to change how they fly so they are safe.

I may fail, or become a pain in the butt to some, but I have to try, or I
would not be true to myself. I can live with trying and still failing, but
can not live with not trying.

Such it is in life.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Trolls are a fact of life on Usenet. Trying to control a troll by trying
to control how others deal with that troll is a fruitless venture destined
to failure as in many cases the person attempting this control on the
forum innocently becomes a troll themselves.

It is on this premise where we part ways.

I have no problem with ignoring the occasional hit and run troll, and
ignoring the people that continue to enable him.

When one comes and dominates the group for as long as this one has, and many
people (good people) leave because of it, (and they have left this group in
droves) something needs to be done.

I may be tilting at windmills, but I've always been the type to be prone to
do a little of that. I feel some people need encouragement to change their
views on handling a troll, just as much as you feel the need to encourage
people to change how they fly so they are safe.

I may fail, or become a pain in the butt to some, but I have to try, or I
would not be true to myself. I can live with trying and still failing, but
can not live with not trying.

Such it is in life.

I think Dudley is correct, but I also believe that "All that is
necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". However,
on usenet, there really isn't much that can be done. I just killfile
the pests and let the technology take care of it. :-)

Matt

Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Trolls are a fact of life on Usenet. Trying to control a troll by trying
to control how others deal with that troll is a fruitless venture destined
to failure as in many cases the person attempting this control on the
forum innocently becomes a troll themselves.

It is on this premise where we part ways.

I have no problem with ignoring the occasional hit and run troll, and
ignoring the people that continue to enable him.

When one comes and dominates the group for as long as this one has, and many
people (good people) leave because of it, (and they have left this group in
droves) something needs to be done.

I may be tilting at windmills, but I've always been the type to be prone to
do a little of that. I feel some people need encouragement to change their
views on handling a troll, just as much as you feel the need to encourage
people to change how they fly so they are safe.

I may fail, or become a pain in the butt to some, but I have to try, or I
would not be true to myself. I can live with trying and still failing, but
can not live with not trying.

Such it is in life.


No problem at all. Departure and/or diversity are what Usenet is all about.
We'll meet again someday on some other issue I'm sure
All the best.
DH

--
Dudley Henriques

In article ,
Dudley Henriques wrote:

Trolls are a fact of life on Usenet. Trying to control a troll by trying
to control how others deal with that troll is a fruitless venture
destined to failure as in many cases the person attempting this control
on the forum innocently becomes a troll themselves.

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Bob Noel" wrote

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?
--
Jim in NC

In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?

No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?

No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.


Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to be
handled as individuals see fit.

Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply be
left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan about
who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and taking
people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any newsgroup!
DH


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?

No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.


Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to be
handled as individuals see fit.

Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply be
left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan about
who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and taking
people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any newsgroup!


Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten blurred
considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks, lamers and
other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an idiot to
do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him, really.He's
too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll mode
here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful groups and
this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups, like
alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with kooks
they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute riot going
in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you get
someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so ready to take
troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen to be
believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as they used to,
unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house) got
the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie


If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider running
a corespondence course.