My wife getting scared

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
More groundless imaginings; that may be true in your little circle of
cronies, but as Bush is learning, there is a larger world beyond cronyism.


A: I disagree. Jay has a pretty BIG circle ...of "cronies".

B: (OT) Bush (his administration) is going through (on par) what other two
term presidents have been through, in year 7. He is not unique in muddling
through to the end.

(revisited)
A: Jay's circle of "cronies". A possible explanation:

1. Jay runs a top notch (nationally known) aviation theme Hotel

2. He flies 3 days a week (sometimes more)

3. Former (Chairman?/President?) of his airport's very successful Big Kids'
Toys event

4. Raised money for an Aviation Wing at an Iowa Children's Museum

5. Represented GA + (flying) Families at the Smithsonian's National Air and
Space Museum (Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center) event

6. Is a mainstay at OSH - 25 years and counting

7. Was at the 2003 National Air Tour's (home field) celebration

8. Has flown to Sun-n-Fun

9. Has flown to Reno for the Air Races

10. Has participated in CAP with his son

11. Has flown numerous Young Eagles

12. Host's one of the most visited 'aviation video' sites on the web
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm

13. Has hosted the Ninety-Nines at his hotel - more than once.

14. Won Best Cherokee(?) at the National Cherokee Fly-In

15. Is a member of Antique Airplane Association (National Fly-In,
Blakesberg)

16. Built the "Kiwi"
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm

17. Hosts FREE (aviation) Movie Night every Tuesday, at his hotel

18. Operates a Friends Of... mailing list for his local airport

19. Maintains detailed records ('minutes') of local airport meetings, for
his large IOW (supporters) network

20. Flew in for the National Stearman Fly-In (I was his guest G)

21. Has been featured in numerous national publications

22. Hosted the crew of the "Connie" at his hotel - got some right seat
time, too

23. Has hosted the rec.aviation (H.O.P.S.) party, 5 years running @ OSH
(By hosting, I mean.... oh nevermind. g)

24. Shares flying time with Mary, his co-pilot wife.

25. It's late, I'm tires - I know I've missed a bunch!


Paul Montgomery

In my opinion, it is the news, expertise, and information exchanged in
rec.aviation.piloting that is valuable, not the social prattle and ill
informed opinion. Should the newsgroup charter ever be amended to value
humor above information, you may see a change in my style.


Don't get me wrong, just because I may insinuate it's like ...ducks in a
barrel, doesn't mean we're not all looking forward to Larry's 'make-over'
into a comic swan.


Montblack
....and running g

Montblack,

A: Jay's circle of "cronies". A possible explanation:

...

Impressive. Seriously. But all that doesn't mean he's infallible or
couldn't be a jerk at times.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Impressive. Seriously. But all that doesn't mean he's infallible or
couldn't be a jerk at times.

You may now approach the throne and kiss my ring...

:-)

Seriously, I don't ever want to be a jerk, Thomas. I don't know if
it's a second-language thing with you, or what, but you'll be tootling
along in a thread just fine, doing a wonderful job of communicating
your experiences, and then -- BOOM! -- you just unload a personal
insult for no apparent reason.

I get that way when I'm overworked and haven't flown for a while. My
recommendation (to everyone, including me): Fly more, post less.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I don't know if
it's a second-language thing with you

It may be a discussion-culture thing, if I may chime in. The way I saw it,
and I do not imply that this is what you wanted to do, Thomas reasonably
asked you to back up your claims either by presenting evidence or by
reasoning, which you refused to do for quite some time. Instead, you
alternated between "if you really are so stupid that you do not see this
entirely obvious point, pity, I will not be bothered to explain it"
and "believe me, for I am the mighty and all-knowing Jay Honeck" (some
exaggeration to get the point across). Thomas finally grew frustrated and
attacked you personally - not the high art of debate, but not completely
unprovoked, either.

It takes two to tango, etc.
--
The mail address works, but please notify me via usenet of any mail you send
to it, as it has a retention period of just a few hours.

("Thomas Borchert" wrote)
Impressive. Seriously. But all that doesn't mean he's infallible or
couldn't be a jerk at times.


"Impressive": Agreed!

....and 'NO!' to the Kool-Aid. I prefer ice water, Diet Coke ("...& the left
side of the menu"), Mike's, and beer.

Part Deux: Agreed, also.

Part One ("Impressive" revisited): My 4am list was anything BUT complete.

Part Three: I do not have you and Larry on the same list as (#%^&*) Ms
Maniac X. That idiot needs to be sent "Danger Seeking" in the Muslim Quarter
(Third? Half?) of Paris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzsskE5ObA
"Danger Seekers" Kentucky Fried Movie (1977)
NAC (Necessary Aviation Content) ...Rex Kramer

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=432 92523
Schlitz Beer - original formula - is back in my area.


Montblack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid
Kool-Aid history

On Oct 7, 2:06 am, "Montblack" Y4_NOT!...
wrote:
("Larry Dighera" wrote)

More groundless imaginings; that may be true in your little circle of
cronies, but as Bush is learning, there is a larger world beyond cronyism.

A: I disagree. Jay has a pretty BIG circle ...of "cronies".

B: (OT) Bush (his administration) is going through (on par) what other two
term presidents have been through, in year 7. He is not unique in muddling
through to the end.

(revisited)
A: Jay's circle of "cronies". A possible explanation:

Monty, I think you are missing the point. The cronieism LD is refering
to has to do with RAP and not his personal accomplishments . I am
always amazed at how these threads degrade into arguments that noone
will ever win. To get back to the gist of this discusion, I have
overhauled and repaired a few of these engines and I have read much of
the Lycoming factory material and from what I have seen and read the
biggest problem is the RATE of tempurature change in these engines
that causes the problem. With some planning and care you can go
practice approaches, pattern work, engine emergencies, etc, and
minimize the wear or damage to your engine. There is no doubt that
repeated approaches is harder on an engine than straight and level
cruise, but most pilots would sacrifice some engine wear to maintain
proficency (Wasnt that the gist of this ?)

Don't get me wrong, just because I may insinuate it's like ...ducks in a
barrel, doesn't mean we're not all looking forward to Larry's 'make-over'
into a comic swan.

Having a condisending day are we ?

Montblack
...and running g

There is no doubt that
repeated approaches is harder on an engine than straight and level
cruise, but most pilots would sacrifice some engine wear to maintain
proficency (Wasnt that the gist of this ?)

The tripping point in this discussion has been the absolute refusal by
some participants to accept your last statement (and the point I've
been making) as true and correct.

I will restate my point: Repeated application of full-power-to-idle
throttle management (as done in go-arounds, touch & goes, and engine
out practice) will wear your engine (and prop governor, fuel pump,
throttle linkage, etc.) out faster than NOT applying full power to
idle.

The gist of the thread *was* whether or not engine out practice was
worth the expense (and risk) of this added engine wear.
Unfortunately, that debate was lost in the muddle over whether the
wear was actually occurring.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Oct 8, 8:16 am, Jay Honeck wrote:

The tripping point in this discussion has been the absolute refusal by
some participants to accept your last statement (and the point I've
been making) as true and correct.

The tripping point of Monty's post was that he seemed to feel that by
boasting about your qualifications it would somehow discredit other
posters (odd that he didnt mention his own qualifications ). You are
pretty well endowed, aviation wise (I for one admire your passion and
comitment to GA) , but Montie failed to explain how this makes your
posts any more relevant than anyone elses.


The gist of the thread *was* whether or not engine out practice was
worth the expense (and risk) of this added engine wear.
Unfortunately, that debate was lost in the muddle over whether the
wear was actually occurring.

The gist ought to be maintaining proficency with minimal wear and tear
on your plane. Lycoming recomends no more than 100 degrees per minute
temp decline in CHT. Those of you who fly with an engine analizer will
find that this not difficult to acomplish and still get the benefit of
practice. Take a look at glider tow operations. These guys do low
speed high power climbs and then dive back to the pattern to do it
again 4 to 5 times an hour all day long and most of them regularly
make it to recomended TBO (The careful ones). Ask them how it is done
sometime.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Union Thug wrote in news:1191867568.240364.167630
@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

On Oct 8, 8:16 am, Jay Honeck wrote:

The tripping point in this discussion has been the absolute refusal
by
some participants to accept your last statement (and the point I've
been making) as true and correct.

The tripping point of Monty's post was that he seemed to feel that by
boasting about your qualifications it would somehow discredit other
posters (odd that he didnt mention his own qualifications ). You are
pretty well endowed, aviation wise (I for one admire your passion and
comitment to GA) , but Montie failed to explain how this makes your
posts any more relevant than anyone elses.


The gist of the thread *was* whether or not engine out practice was
worth the expense (and risk) of this added engine wear.
Unfortunately, that debate was lost in the muddle over whether the
wear was actually occurring.

The gist ought to be maintaining proficency with minimal wear and tear
on your plane. Lycoming recomends no more than 100 degrees per minute
temp decline in CHT. Those of you who fly with an engine analizer will
find that this not difficult to acomplish and still get the benefit of
practice. Take a look at glider tow operations. These guys do low
speed high power climbs and then dive back to the pattern to do it
again 4 to 5 times an hour all day long and most of them regularly
make it to recomended TBO (The careful ones). Ask them how it is done
sometime.


I did it once upon a time and we were restricted to a min of 1500 revs
(IIRC) during the initial descent. Before that we cracked a lot of jugs.
OTOH, we had a lot of aerobatic airplanes and most of them went well
beyond recommended TBO


Not to mention one extraordinary J-3 that just went on forever. I think
it did over 4,000 hours without even a top end and it lived in the
pattern.

bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote

Not to mention one extraordinary J-3 that just went on forever. I think
it did over 4,000 hours without even a top end and it lived in the
pattern.

Yep.

As many times Jay says over and over that pattern work will wear out an
engine, I just don't think that is a given.

The biggest thing I believe that backs it up, is that the average HP output
per hour is less than what it would be at an all day long 75% cruise power
setting.

That, plus the fact that the average single engine mill is built hell for
stout, and does not make much power per C.I.
--
Jim in NC