Force feedback versus real piloting?

"Snowbird" wrote in
ti.fi:


"Jay Honeck" wrote ..

In our Kiwi flight simulator, it is tail-dragger pilots that have had
the most difficulty landing. I believe this is because of our
aforementioned lack of peripheral vision, despite having a 104"
projection screen. They simply don't have the visual cues they are
used to in the flare, and usually crash at first.

MSFS has the drawback that the airplane's nose is not visible, as the
panel blocks the view. This IMO makes judging the flare much more
difficult than in real life, especially in a taildragger.



You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the runway,
fjukkwit.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote ...
"Snowbird" wrote in

You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the runway,
fjukkwit.

What was it again... a Hatz?? Probably not. However, for the time being I'm
quite happy with those I do fly.

"Snowbird" wrote in
ti.fi:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote ...
"Snowbird" wrote in

You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the
runway, fjukkwit.

What was it again... a Hatz?? Probably not. However, for the time
being I'm quite happy with those I do fly.




Nah, hatz is still a building.. Fact is he couldn't fly a chcuk glider
anyway.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the runway,
fjukkwit.

Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the
runway, fjukkwit.

Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.




You couldn't start a rubber band model.


Bertie

On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the runway,
fjukkwit.

Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.

My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the runway,
fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.

My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom


It might if you flew a Pitts.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the
runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.

My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom


It might if you flew a Pitts.



Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break your
neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe sense in
it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when I used to
teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the first things
they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more importantlt, how to
get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu the
teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I realised
that even though the student was going to end up pointing about 90 deg
from the entry heading at the end when he tries this first, he's going
to be learning the principles of an escape manuever by virtue of the
fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the
runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.
My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

It might if you flew a Pitts.



Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break your
neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe sense in
it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when I used to
teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the first things
they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more importantlt, how to
get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu the
teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I realised
that even though the student was going to end up pointing about 90 deg
from the entry heading at the end when he tries this first, he's going
to be learning the principles of an escape manuever by virtue of the
fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie

I had a copy of Duane's book around here somewhere but it's probably
hidden under something REAL dusty by now.

Not quite sure how Cole structured his book, but verticals are a bit
easier for new akro students to handle than rolls. I wouldn't start
anyone with Immelmans however.
I'd always start a newbie out by allowing them to do simple nose high
entry aileron rolls both ways which allowed them to see and feel the
airplane go around and gave them a taste of going inverted. This was a
teaser really as aileron rolls have little use in aerobatics other than
in rolling recoveries from botched maneuvers.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of
the runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.
My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

It might if you flew a Pitts.



Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break
your neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe
sense in it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when
I used to teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the
first things they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more
importantlt, how to get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu
the teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I
realised that even though the student was going to end up pointing
about 90 deg from the entry heading at the end when he tries this
first, he's going to be learning the principles of an escape manuever
by virtue of the fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie

I had a copy of Duane's book around here somewhere but it's probably
hidden under something REAL dusty by now.

Not quite sure how Cole structured his book, but verticals are a bit
easier for new akro students to handle than rolls. I wouldn't start
anyone with Immelmans however.
I'd always start a newbie out by allowing them to do simple nose high
entry aileron rolls both ways which allowed them to see and feel the
airplane go around and gave them a taste of going inverted. This was a
teaser really as aileron rolls have little use in aerobatics other
than in rolling recoveries from botched maneuvers.


I agree, and that's kind of the way I was thinking, but duane made me
think again. And who wouldn't listen to him?
My own syllabus would vary, but for these guys who have no tailwheel
time to speak of I'll start them with Dutch rolls, some slow flight, and
when they figure out what their feet are for then some spins with the
emphasis on recognition and recovery.
Chandelles then to reasonable proficiency. A few lazy eights, then
loops. Aileron rolls next, then wingovers (one of my favorites since it
hones rudder skills in particular) Snaps. then some inverted and onto
barrel rolls and slow rolls. Everything after that is some combination
anyway. Before they go solo I show them how to recognise trouble early
by having a series of gates. If they fail to reach an attitude or
airspeed by the time they reached one of the gates, they exit the
manuever.


Bertie