Future in Aviation for my Son?

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 7:19 pm, Don Tuite
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:10:54 -0400, James
wrote:

That would make some sense. Nobody trusts a fresh MBA. You gotta
have some real chops from having worked at actually producing
something before you got the MBA. OTOH, last time I was out of work
(2001-3), the most demollished guys I saw at the unemployment office
every week were the middle managers with MBAs and lots of experience
holding meetings.

An MBA by itself can get you a job quickly but it doesn't distinguish
you much. However, engineers with MBAs are a different story. That is
a very powerful combo.


snip

I got my engineering degree in three years, and got my when I was 26. Got
surplused two weeks later, and identified as a "problem". Not a single
manager above me in my management chain had an MBA, and they admitted after
they retired that they were scared of me. Took me almost 20 years to regain
my reputation. Basically, everyone above me had to die or retire. So, the
combination doesn't work for everyone!

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

Its always funny to me when you see engineers that got into the
industry with minimal experience during the boom time complain that
life wasn't easy forever. You can't sit around on your bottom and
expect the gravy train to keep rolling, you have to update yourself to
stay on top. Getting the MBA is part of that. I still recommend people
get the full MBA vs the eMBA. The eMBA is good for those that are
already executives but anyone else should get the full MBA.
The next degree that executives need after the MBA is the JD. That's
what I'm going to work on next. If you look through SEC filings you'll
see that more than 1/2 of executives of successful companies hold both
JD's and MBAs.

Are written communication skills important?


Why, thinnking of learning how to write?

Bertie

("B A R R Y" wrote)
Jeez... Now there's two of them.. G

Good luck!


It's a little like that moment in Jurassic Park when it's realized - "Oh
no!" They're multiplying! g


Montblack :-)

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Joe Honeck
Iowa City, IA
"Jay's Son. Yes, that Jay, the crazy one"


17 and you think your dad is nuts.

You're ...right on schedule! :-)


Montblack

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You dumped chemistry for..........linguistics?

Damn, you'll be able to say "Do you want fries with that?" in ten
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To all: be advised that Anthony Atkielski, mxsmanic, is not a pilot,
and in fact has little to offer about finding or keeping a job, since
he appears to have difficulty with both.

"Jay's Son. Yes, that Jay, the crazy one"

17 and you think your dad is nuts.

You're ...right on schedule! :-)

Next will come stupid.

Then, gradually, when you're around age 25, Dad starts getting smarter
again... By the time you're 40, he's the smartest guy you
know...again.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 6:24 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

He's a senior in high school, and is wondering what to do with the
rest of his life. His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

Become an Engineer and then buy his own plane.


Ha, ha. Very funny. Become an engineer and watch your job be out-sourced by
some doofus with an MBA who doesn't know which end is up, but can run a
spreadsheet.


More like : Become an engineer then see your job be outsourced to a brilliant
Indian with a PhD, who runs Mechanical Desktop and Ansys FEA in his sleep and
works 18 hours a day at $8/hour.

RST Engineering wrote:
Engineering is the art of making what you want from stuff you can get.

Having said that, I didn't dislike math, I HATED math. I STILL hate math
the way it is taught. It is just one of those gates that you have to walk
through to get the degree. I *teach* math, and as God is my witness, I try
and make it something that is real and understandable.

I know a few engineering professors who admit they don't like math and
aren't very good at math (didn't get great grades in math either). They
also say it's great that they have computers to DO the math. They
understand it from the courses, but they no longer have to do the work.

My daughter wasn't overly fond of LEARNING math or science, but she
likes DOING math and science, so she's a scientist.

Margy

Having said that, my degree in physics (or as we called it, the department
of theoretical engineering) opened up a whole vista of opportunities, one of
which could have been flying if I had wanted it. I chose (as your walls are
mute testimony) to go into the space program. I could have gone into
computer programming. I could have gone into semiconductor design. I could
have gone a dozen different directions.

If you go to an "aviation" school and take "aviation", you have one career
choice in one particular field. If you go into computer science, or
engineering, or physics, or chemistry, you have a whole rainbow of choices
and as others have noted, you don't have to have an "aviation" degree to fly
for a living. .

Advice, worth every penny you paid for it...find a community college (get
the kid out of the nest for a while) that has dorms or at least housing near
the school. Try engineering (or physics, or...) for a year. If you STILL
don't like it, you've at least inexpensively eliminated one path and
possibly have found your true love. Or you can come home, say that you want
to go to one of the universities with an aviation program and go for it.

Get a college job wrenching on the weekends (no, I didn't say WENCHING).
Four years later you'll come out with a degree PLUS your A&P PLUS as many
hours as you can afford flying. Maybe a CFI in a couple of hundred hours
and pick up a little spare change doing flight reviews and the like.

Stay away from the "aviation schools" like Embry and such. Sure, they are
pilot mills, but little else.

Worth every penny, eh?

Jim

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("B A R R Y" wrote)
Jeez... Now there's two of them.. G

Good luck!


It's a little like that moment in Jurassic Park when it's realized - "Oh
no!" They're multiplying! g


Montblack :-)


It's not you Marty, It's your kids! (Back to the future2)


Al G