My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Just a note if you ever consider a gas/electric hybrid, with such a short
commute you probably won't see the book gas mileage because the
engine needs to warm up before it will shutoff while driving.

Nah, I want a pure electric vehicle. Plug & play.

How is the electricity generated?

Matt Barrow wrote:



How is the electricity generated?



by the grid or by a windmill at home. The energy is stored in
batteries, and in some cases batteries combined with super capacitors

"Ray Andraka" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:



How is the electricity generated?

by the grid or by a windmill at home.

A windmill at home is not likely to have the output to power an all-electric
car for more than a few yards.

If it's a power grid powered by coal, you're likely causing more pollution
than a car that's nicely tuned.

The energy is stored in batteries, and in some cases batteries combined
with super capacitors

Capt. Obvious strikes again "~)

When someone can explain why temps went DOWN while CO2 emissions went UP, or
why temps were much lower during epochs when CO2 was several times higher
than today, I'll buy into the ACC arguments.

Until then, my Toyota 4-Runner suits me just fine :~o

In article ,
Matt Barrow wrote:

by the grid or by a windmill at home.

A windmill at home is not likely to have the output to power an all-electric
car for more than a few yards.

you are very misinformed. a BEV needs around 300wh to go a mile, that means a windwill
that makes 1kw per hour only needs a couple of hours to make enough for a local
commute. In my case its 5miles to my job, or 1.5kwh.

If it's a power grid powered by coal, you're likely causing more pollution
than a car that's nicely tuned.

also missinformed. coal (or diesel) to electricity is over 90% efficient, versus
the 30% or so of efficiency of an internal combustion engine. more efficient is
almost always less polluting.



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Eduardo K. |
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Ray Andraka wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote:



How is the electricity generated?


by the grid or by a windmill at home. The energy is stored in
batteries, and in some cases batteries combined with super capacitors

Let's see:

Battery: Lead Acid--Lead/Sulphuric Acid
NICD--Nickle/Cadmimum
NIMH--Nickle/Metal Paste
LiON--Lithium

Capacitors: Various metals--Most poisonous

Windmill: Iron, Copper, Aluminum, misc other materials--Manufacturing of
which can be hazardous. Blades can interfer with bird flight.

Remote power generation: Coal and it's problems. Gas and it's problems.
Nuclear and IT'S problems. Hydro and it's problems.

Nothing is simple, clean and save.

Check the price of your corn flakes next time you fuel up with E85.


Dave N

"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.
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Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

There /is/ the relatively high expense of construction, the inevitable
destruction of at least some natural environment, the seeming rarity of
places suited for construction, the long distances from such locations
to major electrical connection points (cities, substations, etc.), local
community resistance to construction (NIMBY, mostly)...

TheSmokingGnu

"TheSmokingGnu" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non
polluting, and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

There /is/ the relatively high expense of construction, the inevitable
destruction of at least some natural environment, the seeming rarity of
places suited for construction, the long distances from such locations to
major electrical connection points (cities, substations, etc.), local
community resistance to construction (NIMBY, mostly)...


Gads.

Really reaching, huh?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.
--
Jim in NC

The baby fish of course!

Al G

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:58:02 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

Lot of ecological side effects. Good for short term flood control, but
may cause problems long term. A lot depends on the area where the dam
is located.

Roger (K8RI)