What crashed in front of us today?

Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't
given us enuff info to go on).

The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly
correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike.

However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job,
Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman
was actually Cliff Roberston.

I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.

In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day
(by gawd!) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to
EARN it by mowing lawns or something.

No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of
free flights for youngsters.

snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All
About Mike" post

So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you
couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
flies. Does that sum it up?

We've all seen 'em before..the usual
assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
T-28's etc. [yawn]

In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
else pales. I get it. We all get it.

along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
[even bigger YAWN]

Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have
a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
exciting experience.

What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience
for me to read your posts after all.

Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
something even for asking!

My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked
at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half
a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack
on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

(Trikes RULE)

Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

Gordon

(Gordon) wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't
given us enuff info to go on).

The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly
correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike.

No prob. Always glad to help.

However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job,
Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman
was actually Cliff Roberston.

I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.

No argument here and appears you're itching for a fight for whatever
reason. I just stating a simple fact that Yeager didn't initiate the
Young Eagle's program.

In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day
(by gawd!) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to
EARN it by mowing lawns or something.

No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of
free flights for youngsters.

That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back
to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar).

snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All
About Mike" post

Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!)

So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you
couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
flies. Does that sum it up?

More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking
about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you,
couldn't get out of its own way and crashed. I looked, but damn if I
could find a second question. What was it again? With regards to my
so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not
mine.

We've all seen 'em before..the usual
assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
T-28's etc. [yawn]

In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
else pales. I get it. We all get it.

Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
[even bigger YAWN]

Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have
a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
exciting experience.

Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around
the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad
in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an
all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I
was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain
myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting
there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff
(which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To
this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but
either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I
can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU.

What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience
for me to read your posts after all.

More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning?

Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
something even for asking!

My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked
at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half
a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack
on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative
manner.

(Trikes RULE)

Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you
got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the
cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have
just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has
in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't
need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age
to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is
a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's
charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too).
Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA
"program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look
now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past
decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally
shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or
more.

Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr...

No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record
of
free flights for youngsters.

That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back
to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar).

Yor posting made it clear that you felt that getting a free first ride was some
sort of modern invention. If thats incorrect, it sure read that way.

snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an
"All
About Mike" post

Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!)

Mike, I asked two questions at the bottom of my post. What was it, and, second
question, was everyone ok?

So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault
you
couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
flies. Does that sum it up?

More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking
about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you,
couldn't get out of its own way and crashed.

I don't recall saying or suggesting it 'couldn't get out of its own way',
although you've stated that I did now, twice.

I looked, but damn if I
could find a second question.

1-800-Contacts.

What was it again? With regards to my
so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not
mine.

Well, your post was about three lines of answering mine, and several paragraphs
taking shots at EAA. How would you characterize your relationship with them?

We've all seen 'em before..the usual
assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
T-28's etc. [yawn]

In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
else pales. I get it. We all get it.

Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Good answer.

along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
[even bigger YAWN]

Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll
have
a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
exciting experience.

Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around
the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad
in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an
all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I
was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain
myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting
there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff
(which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To
this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but
either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I
can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU.

Let me try then - I think your trike is [YAWN] and [BORING]. You shoot down
what everyone else flies, then act like I am the one that came on with napalm.


What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth
experience
for me to read your posts after all.

More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning?

You did, Mike. Instead of replying that you had no idea what the French
aircraft might be, my two simple questions brought out yet another "all about
Mike's fabulous trike" reply. It gets old.

Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
something even for asking!

That certainly sounds like you were simply trying to help answer my questions,
doesn't it?

My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one
looked
at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird
half
a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to
crack
on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative
manner.

....... I believe your initial reply was not nearly as cordial as you now
pretend.

(Trikes RULE)

Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you
got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the
cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have
just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has
in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't
need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age
to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is
a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's
charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too).
Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA
"program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look
now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past
decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally
shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or
more.

Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr...

Thanks for the Trike World update. I'm going off to thank the folks that read
my first post and simply gave me good info in return.

Gordon

Mike Marron wrote:

(Gordon) wrote:

I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.

No argument here and appears you're itching for a fight for whatever
reason. I just stating a simple fact that Yeager didn't initiate the
Young Eagle's program.


Mike, you have this large chip on your shoulder which is really
doing you a big disservice you know.

Can you not see that?...just try going back over these two
excerpts...Gordon mentions Chuck Y. in relation to a great
experience that his son has had, you leap onto that statement
saying "Chuck didn't 'start this service' (which nobody claimed
anyway). Then YOU accuse HIM of "itching for a fight"...y'know,
it's almost funny. You're itching so badly for a fight yourself
and yet have the temerity to accuse someone else of it.

Can't you see that?...I assure you that it's quite visible, and
quite unbecoming too.

Some of us are wondering what (probably mistaken) sense of
inadequacy is causing this.

Is it anything that you'd like to discuss?...

(...just because your 'aircraft' is tiny doesn't mean that you,
as a person, aren't 'up to snuff'...)

snork...snif

Sorry, please excuse me.
--

-Gord.