Skycatcher IFR?

On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't
appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site.

Matt

Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert

There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html

So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:04:26 -0000, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't
appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site.

Matt

Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert

There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html

So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

Correct, but only when performing those tasks that require use of a Recreational
or higher license. A Sport Pilot can climb into the airplane and fly day VFR,
but if he's going to go on the gauges he needs the appropriate license and
rating (and medical to go with the license).

The FAA made a big terminology mistake with the new rules; they use the same
term for a *definition* as for an aircraft certification category. Any aircraft
meeting the 14 CFR Part 1 definition for "Light Sport Aircraft" can be flown by
a pilot exercising Sport Pilot privileges, whether it's a Private pilot with an
expired medical, or a person with the new Sport Pilot rating. This definition
is summarized at:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/sportpilot.jpg

However, the FAA also added "Light Sport Aircraft" as a certification category,
both as "Special" and "Experimental." These are aircraft that comply with the
ASTM standards. There's nothing that I know of that precludes aircraft in these
two categories from flying IFR if properly equipped AND with a pilot with
appropriate ratings at the controls. The ASTM standard has a required minimum
for instruments and equipment (which, in fact, requires less instruments than
Part 91 for day VFR) but does not define a maximum.

Ron Wanttaja

On Oct 15, 10:27 am, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

Correct, but only when performing those tasks that require use of a Recreational
or higher license. A Sport Pilot can climb into the airplane and fly day VFR,
but if he's going to go on the gauges he needs the appropriate license and
rating (and medical to go with the license).

In this case the task of flying IFR requires at least a private rating
so a class 3 medical seems to be required.

The FAA made a big terminology mistake with the new rules; they use the same
term for a *definition* as for an aircraft certification category. Any aircraft
meeting the 14 CFR Part 1 definition for "Light Sport Aircraft" can be flown by
a pilot exercising Sport Pilot privileges, whether it's a Private pilot with an
expired medical, or a person with the new Sport Pilot rating. This definition
is summarized at:

I understand that. In fact that was my point. A LSA can be IFR
certified but in order to fly it a pilot now must have a medical. So
the idea of letting your medical lapse when you get old and buying an
LSA only works for VFR. For IFR you have to exercise the priv of an
instrument rated private pilot and not the priv of a sport pilot.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It
doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web
site.

Matt

Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert

There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR
certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html

So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert

And an IFR ticket. But the question wasn't about pilot certificates it was
about aircraft.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It
doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web
site.
Matt
Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert
There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR
certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html
So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert

And an IFR ticket. But the question wasn't about pilot certificates it was
about aircraft.



Yes. I'm instrument rated and was simply wondering what, if any, LSA's
could be flown IFR. I;m debating whether to buy one just for fun
flying, but with the capability to occasionally fly in IMC if needed. I
can buy a 20 year-old 182 that burns 12 GPH or I can buy a new LSA that
burns half that ... and is new!

Yes, I give up two seats, but most of my flying is alone anyway or with
one other person, so I'll just rent when I need four seats. That was
the rationale behind my question.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It
doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna
web site.
Matt
Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert
There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR
certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html
So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert

And an IFR ticket. But the question wasn't about pilot certificates
it was about aircraft.



Yes. I'm instrument rated and was simply wondering what, if any,
LSA's could be flown IFR. I;m debating whether to buy one just for
fun flying, but with the capability to occasionally fly in IMC if
needed. I can buy a 20 year-old 182 that burns 12 GPH or I can buy a
new LSA that burns half that ... and is new!

Yes, I give up two seats, but most of my flying is alone anyway or
with one other person, so I'll just rent when I need four seats. That was
the rationale behind my question.

Matt

Then follow that link up there the 601XLi might be just the plane for you.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It
doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna
web site.
Matt
Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert
There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR
certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html
So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert
And an IFR ticket. But the question wasn't about pilot certificates
it was about aircraft.


Yes. I'm instrument rated and was simply wondering what, if any,
LSA's could be flown IFR. I;m debating whether to buy one just for
fun flying, but with the capability to occasionally fly in IMC if
needed. I can buy a 20 year-old 182 that burns 12 GPH or I can buy a
new LSA that burns half that ... and is new!

Yes, I give up two seats, but most of my flying is alone anyway or
with one other person, so I'll just rent when I need four seats. That was
the rationale behind my question.

Matt

Then follow that link up there the 601XLi might be just the plane for you.

Except that the wing is in the wrong place!

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:


Then follow that link up there the 601XLi might be just the plane
for you.

Except that the wing is in the wrong place!

Matt

Keep on the look out for the Zenith Patriot. It is going to be an LSA only
(no kit) high wing.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

Then follow that link up there the 601XLi might be just the plane
for you.
Except that the wing is in the wrong place!

Matt

Keep on the look out for the Zenith Patriot. It is going to be an LSA only
(no kit) high wing.

This one here? http://www.sport.aero/index2.html

Looks interesting.

Matt

If you are a Cessna pilot, you'll LOVE the Tecnam line of IFR available
LSAs. We have an Echo on the line. It is super stable, super roomy,
and has a super useful load. We have a 6'9" 310lb student taking
lessons in it with a 200lb instructor! It has the stability you need
for IFR, and useful load you need for long range tanks if you are going
to fly hard IFR. Best of all, you won't sacrifice roominess. It's
every bit as comfy as a 172. The IFR certified Rotax 912S burns about 4
gph, mo gas preferred. Available glass or traditional. The new 2008
panel is superb, available glass or traditional, and complete with cup
holder.

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_Aircraft.htm
http://www.chesapeakesportpilot.com/sales.htm

Helen

Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:24 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It
doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web
site.
Matt
Will Sport aircraft be allowed to be IFR certified?
-Robert
There is at least one S-LSA aircraft that is IFR
certified.http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/601.html
So then I assume the pilot would need a current class 3 medical,
correct?

-Robert

And an IFR ticket. But the question wasn't about pilot certificates it
was about aircraft.


Yes. I'm instrument rated and was simply wondering what, if any, LSA's
could be flown IFR. I;m debating whether to buy one just for fun
flying, but with the capability to occasionally fly in IMC if needed. I
can buy a 20 year-old 182 that burns 12 GPH or I can buy a new LSA that
burns half that ... and is new!

Yes, I give up two seats, but most of my flying is alone anyway or with
one other person, so I'll just rent when I need four seats. That was
the rationale behind my question.

Matt