My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

Scott wrote:
Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott
Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy




Margy Natalie wrote:


Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but the
9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3 hours on
Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up, laundry
is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did get a
few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to
have 5 day weekends

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:

wrote:

Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
other
way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
little
planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize
they
are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.



If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save
a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.

Margy

Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for
us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
going to screw our own employees." That figures! Thanks for
hanging in there and clarifying

Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott

Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy




Margy Natalie wrote:


Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but
the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3
hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up,
laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did
get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to
have 5 day weekends

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:

wrote:

Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
other
way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
little
planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
realize they
are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
incentive
to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.



If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find
ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours,
5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you
save a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.

Margy







--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Scott wrote:
Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for
us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
going to screw our own employees." That figures! Thanks for
hanging in there and clarifying

I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

Margy

Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
the fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott


Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy




Margy Natalie wrote:


Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but
the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3
hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not
up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but
I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:

wrote:

Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
other
way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the
old
days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
spring up
like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
little
planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
realize they
are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
incentive
to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.



If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find
ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours,
5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day,
but if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area)
you save a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.

Margy

I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71

I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
one who decided which day he would give you as comp time

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:
Scott wrote:

Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated
O.T. pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's
OK for us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed,
but we're going to screw our own employees." That figures!
Thanks for hanging in there and clarifying


I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

Margy


Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
the fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott



Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy




Margy Natalie wrote:


Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime
for anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we
get it approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no
20/2), but the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in
for 2 or 3 hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed,
leaves are not up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend
shot to hell, but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET
this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary?
My boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:

wrote:

Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need
some other
way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in
the old
days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
spring up
like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
little
planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
realize they
are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
incentive
to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.



If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high
level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how
many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find
ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9
hours, 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it
would reduce travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a
really long day, but if you commute 4 hours a day (not
unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of real time and traffic
is reduced 20%.

Margy










--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Scott wrote:
I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71

I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
one who decided which day he would give you as comp time

Scott

We luck out there. The boss doesn't decide the comp time although he
has to approve it. I try to stack it up for a long weekend. He doesn't
really like it (says I'll burn out with some of the weeks I work), but
he approves it. Of course if I don't use it by the end of the calendar
year it turns to dust, and the office needs to be covered Xmas week, and
we all earn a bunch before and during major events in the fall ...

Margy


Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated
O.T. pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's
OK for us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed,
but we're going to screw our own employees." That figures!
Thanks for hanging in there and clarifying



I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday
off doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know
what I mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great
people, and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

Margy


Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
the fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott




Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy




Margy Natalie wrote:


Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime
for anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we
get it approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no
20/2), but the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in
for 2 or 3 hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed,
leaves are not up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend
shot to hell, but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39
JET this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first
week where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on
salary? My boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:

wrote:

Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need
some other
way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in
the old
days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
spring up
like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy.
The little
planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
realize they
are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
incentive
to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.



If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high
level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to
use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how
many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting
from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find
ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9
hours, 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it
would reduce travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a
really long day, but if you commute 4 hours a day (not
unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of real time and
traffic is reduced 20%.

Margy

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:39:16 -0400, Margy Natalie
wrote:

Scott wrote:
I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71

I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
one who decided which day he would give you as comp time

Scott

We luck out there. The boss doesn't decide the comp time although he

Officially we didn't have comp time and vacation was use it or lose
it, BUT they quietly made an exception for us computer folk. Most of
us would come wandering in around 10:00 AM and go home around 4:00 to
make up for it. If we worked Saturday and Sunday the odds were pretty
good we'd miss a couple of days within the next couple of weeks. The
plant manager's secretary sent me a nasty note explaining what
flexible hours were and I needed to change my ways. I gave the letter
to my boss and volunteered to work 8:00 to 4:30, but I might be hard
to find after hours. He told me to keep doing as I was and he'd
explain how many hours I really worked each week. Just make sure I was
there for any scheduled meetings. It didn't hurt that I was up the
food chain a ways, worked for corporate, and had offices at two
different plants. After 7 years I retired with them owing me for over
90 some days of vacation, and I had taken the last full week off to
spend at Oshkosh. That 90 plus days made a real nice retirement check.
I retired out on the flight line. :-))

has to approve it. I try to stack it up for a long weekend. He doesn't

We just worked as needed with no approval required .

Roger (K8RI)

really like it (says I'll burn out with some of the weeks I work), but
he approves it. Of course if I don't use it by the end of the calendar
year it turns to dust, and the office needs to be covered Xmas week, and
we all earn a bunch before and during major events in the fall ...

Margy

I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
Federal workers).

When you're doing what you want to do, and you love doing it, it's not
really "work".

I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
mean.

Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.

And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!

:-)

I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

There you have it. We do what we do for the perks, not the pay...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:


I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
mean.


Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.

And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!

:-)

But all the fly-ins are on Saturdays ...

And, I'll bet you don't get to make many fly ins since most are geared
to folks that have Sat/Sun off work...that would be the BIG downside for
me!!

Scott


Jay Honeck wrote:




Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.

And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!

:-)



There you have it.

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:16:34 +0000, Scott
wrote:

Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for


Only for the hourly folk. Us professionals are paid so much a month,
once a month. :-))

Roger (K8RI)

us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
going to screw our own employees." That figures! Thanks for
hanging in there and clarifying

Margy Natalie wrote:

Scott wrote:

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm