A-4 / A-7 Question

In article , Daryl Hunt says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
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From what I saw, the A-10, although slower than a F-16, can do two attack
runs
in the same time a F-16 can do one. The A-10 can loiter better than the
F-16.

Then you need to see better.

You need to read better.

"In the same time..." means in the same amount of time, an A-10 can do two
attack runs whereas the F-16 will only do one.


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by A-10s -
even
the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner remarked that he took back
everything bad he said about the A-10 because it "saved his ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the armored vehicles destroyed by
coalition air forces.32 During the latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles
A. Horner, the joint force air component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I
take back all of the bad things that I said about the A-10. I love them! They
saved our ass."33 Furthermore, a captured Iraqi officer reported that the
"single most recognizable and feared aircraft at low level was the A-10.
Although the actual bomb run was terrifying, the aircraft's loitering around the
target area caused as much, if not more, anxiety since the Iraqi soldiers were
unsure of the chosen target."34 Another source reported that A-10s killed over
50 percent of all enemy tanks, more than 50 percent of all field artillery
pieces, and 31 percent of all armored personnel carriers. Interestingly enough,
they also accounted for more air-to-air combat kills than the multirole F-16
Fighting Falcon.35 Clearly, the A-10s were decisive combat multipliers on the
battlefield and were instrumental in minimizing US ground losses in the ground
campaign that liberated Kuwait. And, once again, the Air Force used B-52s in the
BAI role to bomb Republican Guard positions as well as troop or equipment
concentrations.36"

32. "`The Air Campaign' Videotape Script," in Air Command and Staff College
Seminar/Lesson Book, vol. 9 (Maxwell AFB, Ala.: Air University, 1993), 37-51.

33. Smallwood, 96.

34. Ibid., 203.

35. "Letters," Air Force Magazine, September 1991, 9-10.

36. Hallion, 221.

It's also in "White Paper - Air Force Performance in Desert Storm, Department of
the Air Force, April 1991."

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that the Russians have a three stage
SAM...

-Tom

"For the cause that lacks assistance/The wrong that needs ressistance/For the
Future in the distance/And the Good that I can do" - George Linnaeus Banks,
"What I Live for"

UMA Lemming 404 Local member, 404th MTN(LI)

"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINVA LIDBABY wrote in message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...



From what I saw, the A-10, although slower than a F-16, can do two
attack
runs
in the same time a F-16 can do one. The A-10 can loiter better than the
F-16.

Then you need to see better.

You need to read better.

"In the same time..." means in the same amount of time, an A-10 can do two
attack runs whereas the F-16 will only do one.

And the A-10 Pilot is more than twice as vulnerable to everything. You sure
put a low price on a Pilots Life.




What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s -
even
the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner remarked that he took
back
everything bad he said about the A-10 because it "saved his ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles". If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that claim.
Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else. And ANY type of
A or F could do this. Bring back the OV-10 or the armed version of the O-2
and they could do it as well. The A-10 was primarily used AFTER the
Fighters and Bombers killed the Armor and made everyone put their heads
down.

End of discussion, Troll Boy.

In article , Daryl Hunt says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


(sbip)


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s - even the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner remarked that
he took back everything bad he said about the A-10 because it "saved his
ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles".

Huh?

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------) ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces.32 During the
latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles A. Horner, the joint force air
component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I take back all of the bad things
that I said about the A-10. I love them! They saved our ass."33 "

If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that claim.

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------) ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces."

Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else.

The article says "ARMORED" vehicles.

Armored vehicles consist of MBTs, SPA, and APCs.

Your reading skills are pitiful.

-Tom

"For the cause that lacks assistance/The wrong that needs ressistance/For the
Future in the distance/And the Good that I can do" - George Linnaeus Banks,
"What I Live for"

UMA Lemming 404 Local member, 404th MTN(LI)

"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINVA LIDBABY wrote in message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
...
In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


(sbip)


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s - even the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner remarked
that
he took back everything bad he said about the A-10 because it
"saved his
ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles".

Huh?

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces.32 During the
latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles A. Horner, the joint force
air
component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I take back all of the bad
things
that I said about the A-10. I love them! They saved our ass."33 "

If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that claim.

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces."

Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else.

The article says "ARMORED" vehicles.

Armored vehicles consist of MBTs, SPA, and APCs.

Your reading skills are pitiful.

Nope. But most of the armor was destroyed even before the A-10 arrived.
The Bombers and Fighters took them out. Now, is he had said that 80% of the
Armor was destroyed that was left, I would put more credence in his
statements. Don't you recognise PR and Politicing when you see it? This
was NOT an official Air Force Statement.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:58 -0600, "Daryl Hunt"
wrote:


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
...
In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


(sbip)


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s - even the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner remarked
that
he took back everything bad he said about the A-10 because it
"saved his
ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles".

Huh?

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces.32 During the
latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles A. Horner, the joint force
air
component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I take back all of the bad
things
that I said about the A-10. I love them! They saved our ass."33 "

If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that claim.

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces."

Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else.

The article says "ARMORED" vehicles.

Armored vehicles consist of MBTs, SPA, and APCs.

Your reading skills are pitiful.

Nope. But most of the armor was destroyed even before the A-10 arrived.
The Bombers and Fighters took them out. Now, is he had said that 80% of the
Armor was destroyed that was left, I would put more credence in his
statements. Don't you recognise PR and Politicing when you see it? This
was NOT an official Air Force Statement.



So to summarize, he provided a link to a document on an official Air
Force site which in turn cited the Air Command and Staff College
Seminar/Lesson Book for the specific information you disagree with.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but the famous "because Daryl
said so" argument to back up your claim. At least you're consistent.

"dvick" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:58 -0600, "Daryl Hunt"
wrote:


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
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In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
...
In article , Daryl
Hunt
says...


(sbip)


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by
Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s - even the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner
remarked
that
he took back everything bad he said about the A-10 because it
"saved his
ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:


http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles".

Huh?

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces.32 During
the
latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles A. Horner, the joint
force
air
component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I take back all of the
bad
things
that I said about the A-10. I love them! They saved our ass."33 "

If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that
claim.

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces."

Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else.

The article says "ARMORED" vehicles.

Armored vehicles consist of MBTs, SPA, and APCs.

Your reading skills are pitiful.

Nope. But most of the armor was destroyed even before the A-10 arrived.
The Bombers and Fighters took them out. Now, is he had said that 80% of
the
Armor was destroyed that was left, I would put more credence in his
statements. Don't you recognise PR and Politicing when you see it? This
was NOT an official Air Force Statement.



So to summarize, he provided a link to a document on an official Air
Force site which in turn cited the Air Command and Staff College
Seminar/Lesson Book for the specific information you disagree with.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but the famous "because Daryl
said so" argument to back up your claim. At least you're consistent.

I know PR when I see it. You people have no idea how much of this goes on.
Too bad. Things do blindside you when they come. When the PR is no longer
necessary, the changes they wanted to do all along happens.

But don't let that bit of fact get in your way.

Daryl Hunt wrote:

"dvick" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:58 -0600, "Daryl Hunt"
wrote:


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
...
In article , Daryl Hunt
says...


"Replacement_Tommel"
'SINV ALIDBABY wrote in
message
...
In article , Daryl
Hunt
says...


(sbip)


What mission? It's main role for Tank busting was done by
Bombers.

Nonsense. 80% of the MBTs taken out in Desert Storm were done by
A-10s - even the USAF has damitted that (USAF General Horner
remarked
that
he took back everything bad he said about the A-10 because it
"saved his
ass.")

I don't know where you got your info (you made it up, of course)

Tell the USAF that:


http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...4/fedor2a.html

mercy snip

You will not that it said "Ground Vehicles".

Huh?

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces.32 During
the
latter part of the ground war, Lt Gen Charles A. Horner, the joint
force
air
component commander (JFACC), stated bluntly, "I take back all of the
bad
things
that I said about the A-10. I love them! They saved our ass."33 "

If the A-10 had done the bulk
of the Armor killing as you have claimed, it would have made that
claim.

"Although they represented less than 10 percent of the coalition's air
assets,
A-10s were responsible for about 70 percent of the (Look Daryl ------)
ARMORED
(----look Daryl) vehicles destroyed by coalition air forces."

Ground Vehicles consist of trucks more than anything else.

The article says "ARMORED" vehicles.

Armored vehicles consist of MBTs, SPA, and APCs.

Your reading skills are pitiful.

Nope. But most of the armor was destroyed even before the A-10 arrived.
The Bombers and Fighters took them out. Now, is he had said that 80% of
the
Armor was destroyed that was left, I would put more credence in his
statements. Don't you recognise PR and Politicing when you see it? This
was NOT an official Air Force Statement.



So to summarize, he provided a link to a document on an official Air
Force site which in turn cited the Air Command and Staff College
Seminar/Lesson Book for the specific information you disagree with.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but the famous "because Daryl
said so" argument to back up your claim. At least you're consistent.

I know PR when I see it. You people have no idea how much of this goes on.
Too bad. Things do blindside you when they come. When the PR is no longer
necessary, the changes they wanted to do all along happens.

But don't let that bit of fact get in your way.

we're still waiting for your first bit of fact to come our way.

redc1c4,
not likely, but there's always one optimist in the crowd.... %-)
--
A Troop - 1st Squadron
404th Lemming Armored Cavalry

"Velox et Capillatus!"