My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

"Dan" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
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Montblack wrote:
("Dan Luke" wrote)
At least you had feet. Our mom used ours to make soup. We had to
walk to school on the stumps!

That's it, cut him off! g


Montblack
At least you had soup, we had to graze on the lint on the floor.

You had a floor? A real, honest-to-god floor? You pansy!! :~0
In winter the mud froze and we had a solid floor.

We had a black hole that we had to jump over. We were unable to train the
dog to make the jump, and she's now in another dimension.

On 2007-10-15 19:20:09 -0700, Dan said:

Anthony W wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Just buy a golf cart...

Those are a bit cold in winter around here...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA

And damp around here in NW Oregon.

Tony

OK, you bunch of whiners, when I was a child I had to walk 15 miles
to school in my bare feet in the sleet and snow, up hill.....both ways.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

True legend:

Sometime in the 14th century the Campbells were returning from a cattle
raid that had not gone very well, so they were making a rapid tactical
retreat across the snow. Finally, exhausted, they wrapped themselves in
their kilts and threw themselves down into the snow to take a needed
rest. The clan chief's son, however, rolled up a large snowball and put
it under his head. The chief came over and kicked the snowball away,
saying, "And are ye become so effeminate, lad, that ye need a pillow?"

That story has been handed down among Campbells for centuries, but
there is no way to verify it. Still, it seems plausible. Consider the
experience of a more recent ancestor:

My grandmother's grandmother, Sarah Urrinda Rawson, at the age of six
made the trek across the plains to Utah, walking the entire distance.
She wrote that she and her little brother were in charge of the cattle,
which frightened her sometimes when the cattle stampeded or when
Indians attacked trying to steal cattle. The children had no shoes, so
she got great cracks in her feet which she would sew up with her sewing
kit when they stopped for the night.

This was not the first time the children had had to migrate to a new
home without shoes. After their home was burned by mobs the first time
in Missouri, they had to flee in the dead of winter across the Missouri
River, taking shelter on a sand bar. There her mother, Elizabeth, and
Sarah Urrinda's baby brother, had to stay with nothing more to protect
them than a sheet hung between willows. The children's feet were
severely frostbitten.

Sarrah Urrinda's older brother, Daniel was probably still a little sore
from the ball he took in his knee at the battle of Clear Creek. He was
16 at the time. Later, when he was 19, he confronted an armed mob alone
and demanded that they at least partially pay for the house in Illinois
they had burned, the flocks and pigs they had stolen, and for the fence
they destroyed. They finally caved and gave him a side of bacon, a
cheese, and some eggs. Then they shot at him as he left for home.

Later, Daniel was making shakes for a barn and he and the others
decided to sleep at another barn that night. A mob set fire to the barn
and started shooting everybody that came out. Daniel's best friend was
shot to death as he stood next to him.

They stopped in Iowa to regroup and the Army came asking for volunteers
for a battalion of men to march against Mexico. Daniel swore that he
would never serve the American government, which had done nothing to
prevent these attacks by mobs or restore order. But he volunteered
anyway when Brigham Young asked him to. So they marched to Missouri for
supplies, but the supply depot was manned by the same people who had
chased them out of Missouri. The commander of the battalion finally
gave the Missourians an ultimatum that either they would deliver the
supplies within the day or he would open fire with his cannon. They
delivered.

They marched across to San Diego, building a road all the way from
Independence. Mustered out, they went to Yerba Buena (now San
Francisco), and on to Sacramento looking for work so they could earn
money to get back to Utah. They found it at Sutter's mill. Although
they discovered gold there, Daniel was asked to take the horses back to
Salt Lake City in the spring, which he did in a running battle with
Indians the whole way. He sometimes had to swim across icy rivers
towing a raft carrying the horses.

So, when I hear people mocking the "15 miles each way in our bare feet"
I think of those guys. They really lived like that.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Billions of Li-ion AA batteries in cars will be a
recycling/disposal nightmare.

We need nuclear powered cars and trucks.

Global warming is only the tip of the iceberg, the whole
solar system is getting hotter. Jupiter has a new Red Spot,
Mars ice caps are receding and the Rovers are getting
considerably more power than was predicted. Even Pluto is
getting hot, up to several degree above absolute zero now.


Maybe we now know why the ancient Egyptians worshiped the
Sun.


"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
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| In article
. com,
| Jay Honeck wrote:
| Sounds good to me.
|
| Me, too.
|
| I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact,
given my 6 mile
| (round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an
all-electric car as
| my next vehicle.
|
| All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm
thinking of
| a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for
short trips,
| and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof
to charge it,
| it becomes pretty green.
|
| --
| -Ed Falk,
| http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

"Edward A. Falk" wrote

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.

Unless you park it for a few weeks between uses, solar cells don't come
close to providing enough power to make it a viable charging option.
--
Jim in NC

In rec.aviation.owning Morgans wrote:

"Edward A. Falk" wrote

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.

Unless you park it for a few weeks between uses, solar cells don't come
close to providing enough power to make it a viable charging option.
--
Jim in NC

Actually, if you covered the entire area of a Prius with the best
solar cells you can buy and parked it for 8 hours in Tucson in the
middle of summer, you could go a few feet.

1 hp = 746 Watts

Get the available sunlight energy from:
http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data...tlas/serve.cgi

Really good solar cells are about 20% efficient.

You do the math.

--
Jim Pennino

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Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.
Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Have you researched the process of making solar panels? Things aren't
as "green" as they seem...

Matt

What voltage do those cars use? I assume it's more than 12V. If so,
you'll have to series connect several solar panels to match what you
need. And then, if it's an oddball voltage, you'll have to build your
own charge controller to keep from overcharging. And then, does the
battery type used require a constant voltage or constant current to
charge them. If constant current, you will have to build your own
current source. None of this is un-doable, just some dinking around.
If the voltage required is quite high, you will have a fair investment
in solar panels...

Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Sounds good to me.

Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA
Li-ion batteries in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for
the motors.



"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
| What voltage do those cars use? I assume it's more than
12V. If so,
| you'll have to series connect several solar panels to
match what you
| need. And then, if it's an oddball voltage, you'll have
to build your
| own charge controller to keep from overcharging. And
then, does the
| battery type used require a constant voltage or constant
current to
| charge them. If constant current, you will have to build
your own
| current source. None of this is un-doable, just some
dinking around.
| If the voltage required is quite high, you will have a
fair investment
| in solar panels...
|
| Edward A. Falk wrote:
|
| In article
. com,
| Jay Honeck wrote:
|
| Sounds good to me.
|
| Me, too.
|
| I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact,
given my 6 mile
| (round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an
all-electric car as
| my next vehicle.
|
|
| All-electric cars have the problem of limited range.
I'm thinking of
| a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car
for short trips,
| and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the
roof to charge it,
| it becomes pretty green.
|
|
| --
| Scott
| http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
| Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
| Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Jim Macklin wrote:
The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA
Li-ion batteries in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for
the motors.

The specs I've seen on the Honda Accord hybrid
show 120 NiMH cells giving 144 volts at 6.0 Ah

The Prius also uses NiMH cells, a total of 168
and a peak voltage of 201 volts and 6.5 Ah.