My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:41:30 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Billions of Li-ion AA batteries in cars will be a
recycling/disposal nightmare.

Most of the market is still using the older NiMH batteris with far
less capacity than the LI-Ion. But they are on the way.

Roger (K8RI)

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:28:19 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,

Of course in the US that voids your warranty. In Europe they have a
button on the dash to use it as an all electric when around town and
then go to hybrid for longer trips. Instead of just shy of 50 MPG
they are running in the neighborhood of 100 MPG.

The reason for not having the button in the US is the battery
warranty.

Roger (K8RI)
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
.. .
Jim Macklin wrote:
The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA Li-ion batteries
in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for the motors.

The specs I've seen on the Honda Accord hybrid
show 120 NiMH cells giving 144 volts at 6.0 Ah

The Prius also uses NiMH cells, a total of 168
and a peak voltage of 201 volts and 6.5 Ah.

That makes more sense; although I admit that the much higher voltage, with
solid state controls, could be fun to watch--from a safe distance.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.
Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Have you researched the process of making solar panels? Things aren't as
"green" as they seem...

Matt

"Green" is a religion, in which party-hack politicians are the gods.

Personally, I prefer a religion in which the only God is more perfect than
any human could even be or even imagine.

Ray Andraka wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote:



How is the electricity generated?


by the grid or by a windmill at home. The energy is stored in
batteries, and in some cases batteries combined with super capacitors

Let's see:

Battery: Lead Acid--Lead/Sulphuric Acid
NICD--Nickle/Cadmimum
NIMH--Nickle/Metal Paste
LiON--Lithium

Capacitors: Various metals--Most poisonous

Windmill: Iron, Copper, Aluminum, misc other materials--Manufacturing of
which can be hazardous. Blades can interfer with bird flight.

Remote power generation: Coal and it's problems. Gas and it's problems.
Nuclear and IT'S problems. Hydro and it's problems.

Nothing is simple, clean and save.

Check the price of your corn flakes next time you fuel up with E85.


Dave N

"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

There /is/ the relatively high expense of construction, the inevitable
destruction of at least some natural environment, the seeming rarity of
places suited for construction, the long distances from such locations
to major electrical connection points (cities, substations, etc.), local
community resistance to construction (NIMBY, mostly)...

TheSmokingGnu

"TheSmokingGnu" wrote in message
news:Z5YSi.1380$_64.392@trnddc02...
Morgans wrote:
Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non
polluting, and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

There /is/ the relatively high expense of construction, the inevitable
destruction of at least some natural environment, the seeming rarity of
places suited for construction, the long distances from such locations to
major electrical connection points (cities, substations, etc.), local
community resistance to construction (NIMBY, mostly)...


Gads.

Really reaching, huh?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.
--
Jim in NC

The baby fish of course!

Al G

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:58:02 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"David G. Nagel" wrote

Hydro and it's problems.

Problems? What problems? Last I checked, hydro was clean, non polluting,
and has the advantage of helping to control floods.

Lot of ecological side effects. Good for short term flood control, but
may cause problems long term. A lot depends on the area where the dam
is located.

Roger (K8RI)