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![]() "Jim Logajan" wrote Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are on the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears immune to these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given office if I don't like any of the candidates. So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not Republican. So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of winning office, you threw away your vote. Sad, but that is the reality of it. -- Jim in NC |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are on the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears immune to these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given office if I don't like any of the candidates. So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not Republican. So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of winning office, you threw away your vote. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_and_Kodos (Treehouse of Horror VII) Sad, but that is the reality of it. Aye. ' Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless." "What giants?" asked Sancho Panza. "Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length." "Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."' |
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![]() "Jim Logajan" wrote: "Giants...." AKA "WMD." -- Dan "Sanity is not to be without fantasy, but to know reality, and remember the difference." - Clive James |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are on the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears immune to these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given office if I don't like any of the candidates. So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not Republican. So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of winning office, you threw away your vote. Sad, but that is the reality of it. The Progressives never won an election in the first part of the last century, but by 1940 most of their platform had beenenacted. Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run. -ash Cthulhu in 2007! Why wait for nature? |
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![]() "Ash Wyllie" wrote Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run. Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which is how it usually works. -- Jim in NC |
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Recently, Morgans posted:
"Ash Wyllie" wrote Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run. Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which is how it usually works. The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up. Neil |
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Neil Gould wrote:
The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up. I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The problem is the lack of real leadership. No one wants to say anything definitive for fear of offending someone. We need real leaders, people who aren't afraid to say, "this will be unpopular but we have to do this because of X, Y and Z". Lincoln did it, FDR did it, Johnson did it, Reagan did it. Paint the picture, and pull people together to solve the problems. Honest dialog with a mostly intelligent public. So much of what passes for discourse today is just propaganda spun from both sides of the spectrum and spoon fed to us in the 24hr news cycle. It is poisoning the greatest social experiment the world has ever known, the USofA. KC |
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Kevin Clarke wrote:
I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). Fred Thompson not accomplished? I think you ought to compare his resume up against any of the other cnadidates on either side. Here are some high points. He earned his undergraduate degree in philosophy and political science from Memphis State University in 1964 and his law degree from Vanderbilt University in 1967, working his way through school. In 1969, Thompson was named an assistant United States attorney in Nashville, where he earned the reputation as a tough prosecutor. Three years later, he would help manage U.S. Senator Howard Baker's re-election campaign. In 1973, at the age of 30, he was off to Washington, where he served under the glaring spotlight of the Watergate scandal as minority counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee. Thompson would return to Tennessee, where he maintained law offices in Nashville and Washington. His practice varied from pro bono work to representing the state of Tennessee and large corporations, such as Westinghouse. He served as special counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1980 and the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1982. Thompson ran to fill the remaining two years of an unexpired Senate term. It was a tough race; his Democrat opponent was a 6 term Congressman. Two years later, in 1996, the people of Tennessee returned him to office with more votes than any candidate for any office in the state's history. |
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![]() "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote: Fred Thompson not accomplished? http://www.theonion.com/content/opin..._will_have_the |
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Recently, Kevin Clarke posted:
Neil Gould wrote: The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up. I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The problem is the lack of real leadership. How is it not "...bad choices per se" if the candidates for _leader_ of the U.S. lack the ability to provide real leadership? We really need to wake up. Neil |
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