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"Jim Logajan" wrote

Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are on
the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears immune
to
these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given office
if
I don't like any of the candidates.

So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not Republican.

So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of winning
office, you threw away your vote.

Sad, but that is the reality of it.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote

Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are
on the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears
immune to
these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given
office if
I don't like any of the candidates.

So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not
Republican.

So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of
winning office, you threw away your vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_and_Kodos
(Treehouse of Horror VII)

Sad, but that is the reality of it.

Aye.
' Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise
from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his
squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have
wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking
giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we
shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so
foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

"What giants?" asked Sancho Panza.

"Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms.
Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but
windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when
they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."'

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

"Giants...."


AKA "WMD."

--
Dan

"Sanity is not to be without fantasy, but to know reality, and remember the
difference."
- Clive James

Morgans opined

"Jim Logajan" wrote

Clarification needed: I vote for Libertarian candidates when they are on
the ballet and the candidate is also not a goof (no party appears immune
to
these sorts). Otherwise I elect not to vote on anyone for a given office
if
I don't like any of the candidates.

So the "powerless" party I meant is the Libertarian party, not Republican.

So in other words, by voting for a candidate that has no choice of winning
office, you threw away your vote.

Sad, but that is the reality of it.


The Progressives never won an election in the first part of the last century,
but by 1940 most of their platform had beenenacted.

Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for
Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run.


-ash
Cthulhu in 2007!
Why wait for nature?

"Ash Wyllie" wrote

Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for
Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run.

Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the
person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which
is how it usually works.
--
Jim in NC

Recently, Morgans posted:

"Ash Wyllie" wrote

Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so
voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not
in the long run.

Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if
the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal
from, which is how it usually works.

The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering
where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable
screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among
the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up.

Neil

Neil Gould wrote:

The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering
where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable
screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among
the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up.

I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all
very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The problem is
the lack of real leadership. No one wants to say anything definitive for
fear of offending someone. We need real leaders, people who aren't
afraid to say, "this will be unpopular but we have to do this because of
X, Y and Z". Lincoln did it, FDR did it, Johnson did it, Reagan did it.
Paint the picture, and pull people together to solve the problems.
Honest dialog with a mostly intelligent public.

So much of what passes for discourse today is just propaganda spun from
both sides of the spectrum and spoon fed to us in the 24hr news cycle.
It is poisoning the greatest social experiment the world has ever known,
the USofA.

KC

Kevin Clarke wrote:
I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are
all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson).

Fred Thompson not accomplished? I think you ought to compare his resume up
against any of the other cnadidates on either side.

Here are some high points.

He earned his undergraduate degree in philosophy and political science from
Memphis State University in 1964 and his law degree from Vanderbilt
University in 1967, working his way through school.

In 1969, Thompson was named an assistant United States attorney in
Nashville, where he earned the reputation as a tough prosecutor. Three years
later, he would help manage U.S. Senator Howard Baker's re-election
campaign. In 1973, at the age of 30, he was off to Washington, where he
served under the glaring spotlight of the Watergate scandal as minority
counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee.

Thompson would return to Tennessee, where he maintained law offices in
Nashville and Washington. His practice varied from pro bono work to
representing the state of Tennessee and large corporations, such as
Westinghouse.

He served as special counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in
1980 and the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1982.

Thompson ran to fill the remaining two years of an unexpired Senate term. It
was a tough race; his Democrat opponent was a 6 term Congressman. Two years
later, in 1996, the people of Tennessee returned him to office with more
votes than any candidate for any office in the state's history.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote:

Fred Thompson not accomplished?

http://www.theonion.com/content/opin..._will_have_the

Recently, Kevin Clarke posted:

Neil Gould wrote:

The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering
where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly
unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the
system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We
really need to wake up.

I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are
all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The
problem is the lack of real leadership.

How is it not "...bad choices per se" if the candidates for _leader_ of
the U.S. lack the ability to provide real leadership? We really need to
wake up.

Neil