please stop bashing France

"IO" wrote:

If you want to criticize Chirac ok... But please don't say that all the
french are monkeys or make stupid and false comments on French cowardy...

Well, I haven't been, but with so many French papers and media outlets
putting out "America is evil!" content, it has to go back somewhere.

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"IO" wrote:

If you want to criticize Chirac ok... But please don't say that all the
french are monkeys or make stupid and false comments on French
cowardy...

Well, I haven't been, but with so many French papers and media outlets
putting out "America is evil!" content, it has to go back somewhere.

Example please?? Apart from right and left wing extremist tablids, you'll
find NO front page as outragous as some US papers were during the
french-bashing period.
Didn't you understand that the "Amercia is evil" myth is just to justify
more French bashing????
If you want to do some research to back your claims, the major french papers
are LeMonde, LeFigaro, Liberation, LeParisien, France-Soir, LeCanrad
Enchainé. Major TV channels are TF1, Fr2, FR3, Canal+ and M6.
Please don't back your claims with stuff you saw on Fox or read in the
NYPost.
If ou want info or example on the French cultural scene, I'd be glad to
help.

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"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

Example please?? Apart from right and left wing extremist tablids, you'll
find NO front page as outragous as some US papers were during the
french-bashing period.

Do you even *read* your own papers?

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"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

Example please?? Apart from right and left wing extremist tablids,
you'll
find NO front page as outragous as some US papers were during the
french-bashing period.

Do you even *read* your own papers?


Don't worry for me, I read them!
But I'm still waiting for even the slightest example of french front page
articles crying out that "America is Evil", or that "America is the ennemy",
or some other dumb thing. No article tried being smart by listing american
military blunders, or by listing French products on the US market and
calling for their boycott. No TV footage showed bottles of Coke being
emptied in the gutter, and those showing a McDonalds being torn down refer
to the legal decision that condemned the man who did it (José Bové if you
want to look it up).
No TV hosts appeared on screen with a "I F*CK USA" on them. Apart from a
few satirical shows, no one on TV spent hours telling old/inaccurate/easy
French jokes.
No articles in our equivalents of the Washington Post or others were
insulting, spreading hatred.

Now the question is do you read *yours* because you sure need a lot of guts
to say that there was "yankee bashing" in France.
Pierre-Henri

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:

Do you even *read* your own papers?

Don't worry for me, I read them!
But I'm still waiting for even the slightest example of french front page
articles crying out that "America is Evil", or that "America is the ennemy",
or some other dumb thing.

Find some similar "front page" articles in the mainstream American
press, first.

Et bloody cetera. Lots of accusations, no real evidence.

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"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:

Do you even *read* your own papers?

Don't worry for me, I read them!
But I'm still waiting for even the slightest example of french front
page
articles crying out that "America is Evil", or that "America is the
ennemy",
or some other dumb thing.

Find some similar "front page" articles in the mainstream American
press, first.

Et bloody cetera. Lots of accusations, no real evidence.

yeah, like the WMD in Iraq.......
(sorry, that one was easy!)

In article ,
"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:

Et bloody cetera. Lots of accusations, no real evidence.

yeah, like the WMD in Iraq.......
(sorry, that one was easy!)

....and wrong.

Read the Kay report. Not the "press summaries," the actual report.

They had an ongoing program, materials, labs, and a lot of stockpiles we
haven't had a chance to even look at yet.

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"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:

Do you even *read* your own papers?

Don't worry for me, I read them!
But I'm still waiting for even the slightest example of french front
page
articles crying out that "America is Evil", or that "America is the
ennemy",
or some other dumb thing.

Find some similar "front page" articles in the mainstream American
press, first.

I'll do that when you find French front pages reading "America is evil!".
OK? If I can research US papers, you can research french ones, right? They
all have English versions.



Et bloody cetera. Lots of accusations, no real evidence.

Evidence of what??? French bashing??? Are you kidding me???

Monday february 10th 2003 National Post article. Want me to give extracts of
it?
Sunday feb 9th. Thomas Friedman article in the NY Times.
the previous week in the NY Times Geoffrey Nunberg wrote a "French bashing
dictionnary".
George Will's articles in the Washington Post.
Feb 6th Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox asking people to email the French Embasy
with insults.
Feb 10th the Wall Street Journal called Jacques Chirac a "bald Joan of Arc
travestite" and a pygme.

Come on!

Pierre-Henri

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

Evidence of what??? French bashing??? Are you kidding me???

Monday february 10th 2003 National Post article. Want me to give extracts of
it?

Yes. National Post? Never heard of it. Oh, wait - that's a *Canadian*
paper... despite rumors to the contrary, Canada is not a part of the
United States.

Sunday feb 9th. Thomas Friedman article in the NY Times.

Thomas Friedman is an op-ed writer.

A summary:

"ABSTRACT - Thomas L Friedman Op-Ed column on his wish that France
could be voted off UN Security Council and replaced by India, world's
biggest democracy and one that has not grown 'silly' trying to
differentiate itself from America; finds French position on Iraq utterly
incoherent and warns that only way to force Saddam Hussein into
compliance without war is for whole world to line up against his
misbehavior (M)"

Sounds good. Why *is* France a permanent member of the Security
Council? It's not like they're important or anything.

the previous week in the NY Times Geoffrey Nunberg wrote a "French bashing
dictionnary".

Actually, not. "A Lexicon of Francophobia, From Emerson to Fox TV." It
sums up a few phrases in use by some editorialists and the like, but
it's hardly a "dictionary," and spends more time on the French-English
disputes of the last 600 years or so.

George Will's articles in the Washington Post.

Editorials. Once again, not "front page articles."

Feb 6th Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox asking people to email the French Embasy
with insults.

Considering the French actions about that time, that's a fairly mild
response.

Feb 10th the Wall Street Journal called Jacques Chirac a "bald Joan of Arc
travestite" and a pygme.

Yet another editorial. And not too far off the mark, if you actually
read the piece.

So these editorial comments by folks count a "front page news" to you?

If so, you need to go back and read some of the editorials and editorial
cartoons in Le Monde, including all of the "bloof for oil" bits.

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"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:

Do you even *read* your own papers?

Don't worry for me, I read them!
But I'm still waiting for even the slightest example of french front
page
articles crying out that "America is Evil", or that "America is the
ennemy",
or some other dumb thing.

Find some similar "front page" articles in the mainstream American
press, first.

I'll do that when you find French front pages reading "America is evil!".
OK? If I can research US papers, you can research french ones, right? They
all have English versions.


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Pierre-Henri,

If you know something that I don't, please enlighten me. I looked at all the
major french newspaper sites when the Afgan fracas began, and none of them had
an english version available. I went again after reading your message, and
looked at Le Monde, and nothing had changed there. I haven't checked on the
rest again, but if you know of any that actually do have an english version
please let us know. Perhaps that is part of the problem. It is really hard
to get your message out if you won't put it in English

Dave