A B-17 War Story

Bob Harrington wrote:
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote in
:


To read this:

of the Prophet Mohammad (Blessings and All Grace Upon Him).

...followed by this:

So, when a non-Muslim is captured or taken hostage, he or she can be
treated the same as a dog or other non-sentient animal and slaughtered
if necessary. This is the common thought behind the killings of
hostages including beheading and shootings.

...makes me want to puke.

If those are in fact the teachings of Mohammad, then may nothing but pain
and death be upon his satanic ass and his pig ******* sycophants...



I know what you mean and how you feel.

Like all religious writings in foreign languages, statements are
changed, distorted, or don't read true as the original. The Holy Koran
is not alone in this; I have read source documents of the Holy Bible in
the Greek and Latin translations and when comparing those to my own copy
of the Holy Bible which I take with me each Wednesday night and Sunday
morning ... let's just say that I keep my own counsel when a member of
our Bible study groups and usually do not try to make up minds which are
already made up.

People believe what they wish to believe. Certainly culture and emotion
drives any religious interpretation. Nothing is more emotional than a
group of religious zealots who have been stirred up by a rabble rouser.
John Brown comes to mind when I write this, although I can't condemn
his goals. Look at the various religions and their sects, and you will
find wack-jobs (OK, not a scientific term but it works for me) every
place. The Christians, particularly the Southern Baptists, in which
faith I was raised, educated and still belong certainly produced their
fair share of extremists, specifically the Klu Klux Klan, the Snake
Handlers, and the anti-Integration movement of the 1950's 60's.

Now as to the Muslim: Americans mostly are tolerant people, or rather a
tolerant culture, or more specifically, we own the patent on cultural
tolerance and sensitivity. This, of course, is a relatively modern
event considering the Irish, Poles, Jews, Catholics, Negroes, Chinese,
Japanese, Atheists, Animists (have I missed anyone?) who have been
persecuted in one way or another here in the USA. I would point you
towards your local Register of Deeds office where you may ask to see
some deeds to properties dated back in the 1940's; I am sure you know
that there were "Restrictive Covenants" on almost all land and real
estate which discriminated against anyone not of Anglo-Saxon Protestant
origin.

My point is not to take America to task .. we have taken ourselves to
task on the issue of Tolerance many times; sometimes we have come up
wanting, but mostly our tolerance beams forth as if a bright light in
the darkness of other countries. If you want examples, I can give them,
but without demonizing a particular country, I would point out that if
you have a "lower class accent" or if you are a Catholic versus a
Protestant, or if you are a member of the State Church but also a
practicing Scientologist or Christian Scientist, or an avowed Agnostic,
you will hear and see the consequences of your choice.

But, back to those who have Surrendered to al-Islam: The Muslim are a
multi-ethnic group; it is a religion which is supposed to be
"all-inclusive" In other words, if you Surrender, your fellow Muslim
are not permitted by their faith to discriminate or even act or treat
you differently.

I recommend, however, that you read accounts by some Caucasian Americans
who went on the pilgrimage to Mecca. You will find that they had some
"interesting" conversations with non-American English speakers. They
were universally viewed with suspicion; not ostracized, but it wasn't
until they had done the proper obeisances required of Pilgrims, that
they began to be accepted.

All of this behavior tells me that the Islamic world has the same
problems with religious tolerance within their own ranks as do other
religions.

Here, if you are a Catholic, go to your local Pentecostal Church for a
service -- this is not to say that this is the only place you would be
observed as a "stranger", (witness the furor in Israel when African Jews
who came to Israel were denounced by some Jewish religious leaders --
was that because they didn't fit the stereotype of an Eastern European
white person or that among Jews there are great divides among the
various sects of Judaism?). You get my drift, I am sure. Personally I
think it would be a hoot to sit in the front pew and do the usual
Catholic genuflections and so forth, but I digress.

The Middle Eastern culture is just as violent and as barbaric as other
cultures. We Westerners have just had the benefit of no deserts and no
camels to tame, nor have we a nomadic culture (unless you count the Roma
or Traveling People which are pretty much marginalized in the USA).
Nomadic cultures are, a priori, violent and judgmental; they are closed
societies of extended families with ties only to other strong families
with which their war and peace histories reach back hundreds of years in
competition for the same space of desert, steppes, mountains or valleys.

Muslims at this juncture of time in the same place as were the Kaiser's
Huns in WWI, the "Japs" and "Krauts" of WW2, the "Gooks: of the Korean
War, and the "Slopes" and "Dinks" of the Vietnam war. We call them
"Hajji's", "Camel Jockeys", "Rag Heads" .. all with the view of
depersonalizing the process of war.

The Muslim view us as "pagans", "infidels", "the great shaitan", and
host of other monikers, likewise to depersonalize us. This coupled with
the fact that most Muslim have never lived or even visited the USA, have
never known an American (of any color, creed or ethnic background), has
created an extremely intolerant and Zealous culture of hatred. Remember
that most Muslim in Third and Fourth World countries are only a
generation removed from the oxen, bullock, camel and influence of the
Gen'ni of the sands.

When such cultures are taken over into foment by nut-cases such as the
present Fuhrer of Iran, the only outcome is disaster. There is no way
to agreeably cope with someone who is driven by an insane desire to die
in a glorious manner for his or her god. I can only point you back to
the origins of the Kamikazi by example. And the Japanese youth who flew
their Baka model guided bombs into their enemy's ships off the coast of
Okinawa, they were likewise whipped to a religious fervor by zealotry.

Finally, I will tell you that having been a soldier for most of my adult
life, and have spoken at length to our oldest son who served three tours
of duty in Iraq, I believe in my heart that the American spirit will
prevail no matter what.
America is the only nation of peoples in the world where a penniless
immigrant can arrive via the Port of New York, begin driving a taxi the
next week and send his children to Columbia University to become
professionals, thus insuring that that imiigrant's successor generation
will become prosperous integrated citizens of the greatest Republic this
world has ever produced.


(c) 2007 by David E. Mann, PhD(Hist)

Part of my lecture series to future intelligence officers given April 2007.