Any CAP pilots?

On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?

Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom. I interviewed a guy
yesterday that was pretty good (used to work in the labs at HP
Openview) but we'll see if the team likes him or not. If not we may
have to open the rec up for sponsorship (which is very expensive)
since its very hard to find programmers that already have the right to
work in the U.S.

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/ser...ms+Integrators


-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top
of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can
be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that
is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this
point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the
additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save
money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.


-Robert

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On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top
of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can
be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that
is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this
point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the
additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save
money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.


-Robert


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology. I know some languages for
micro controllers that are now 98% obsolete. I was about ready to put off my
SMT equipment on Flea-Bay get rid of it for good. I have all the stuff to
rework Thru-Hole to BGA till my T.V.'s power supply went nutty dusted it off
fixed it along with few other items around the house then packed it up and
placed it in at attic again. I Dusted off my Superpro 680 also now nolonger
supported, http://www.xeltek.com/pages.php?pageid=11 and programmed a bunch
of atmels and pic chips for a friend this weekend.

I do miss the great income but what the hell!! I like what I do, Flying is
way more fun don't miss sitting in a room in front of a computer all day and
night at all again.

NW_Pilot wrote:


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.

And are willing to work short contract stints.

I work for a super-duper way big company (310,000 employees), and almost
all of our programming is done on a contracting basis. An application
gets ordered, it gets coded as fast as possible by 2000 guys in India,
then the contractors get canned and there's no one to fix or modify the
thing.

One of the big issues today is the move to replace old databases with
SAP, but all the old application SME's that "didn't keep up with the
times" are gone.

Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and
are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and
takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the
corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no
longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by
the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved
in SAP.

On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:

Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.

And are willing to work short contract stints.

The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.

-Robert

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On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:

Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.

And are willing to work short contract stints.

The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.

-Robert



It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no
one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison
system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for
almost nothing.

I am not going to spend 30-50k to learn new devices and languages and spend
1/4 of a year in classes to make 70-80K for maybe 2 years. Now back in the
day mid to late 90's I was paid to take the classes from the client or
provided contracts from leading device/component manufactures for attending.
Money was great 3 to 4 times what's paid now then rapidly declined when they
were able to outsource or bring in foreign workers and get tax breaks!!

USA = United Slaves Of America

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and
are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and
takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the
corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no
longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by
the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved in
SAP.

You -just- described the future of my workplace. There's one person who
wrote the app, hasn't documented it and the company now relies on it. They
can't fire him because they replaced an industry-wide standard with a
software monopoly owned by one employee who spends all day long looking up
parts for his car. If he gets hit by a truck tomorrow there will be nobody
to support the application that interfaces thousands of customers.

We've been telling them that for three years, but...I don't know if it's
some MBA method that has been getting taught or what...management everywhere
seems to be a bunch of bobbleheads; they nod their heads at whatever you say
all day long, acknowledging what a big problem it is, but they never
actually -do- anything about those problems. When everything falls apart,
they take their severance, find a job elsewhere and move one. SNAFU.

-c

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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The reason we hire in India as well is that is where the programmers are.

The reason all the programmers are in India is because all the American
programmers were laid off.

However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.

A friend of mine works for Freightliner. They interviewed somebody over the
phone in India and paid to relocate him to the U.S. The guy moved his
family over here, rented a house and everything and about three weeks later
it became abundantly clear he wasn't the guy they interviewed on the phone.

Turns out that he'd hired some professional interviewee to secure the job
for him, and he in fact was totally unqualified for the position. For some
reason, Freightliner hasn't dismissed him for it. Meanwhile, a whole bunch
of qualified employees in Portland lost their job because Freightliner has
decided to move operations to Mexico.

America is, unfortunately, beginning to reap what it has sown.

-c

On Nov 6, 1:22 pm, "Gatt" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
Turns out that he'd hired some professional interviewee to secure the job
for him, and he in fact was totally unqualified for the position. For some
reason, Freightliner hasn't dismissed him for it. Meanwhile, a whole bunch
of qualified employees in Portland lost their job because Freightliner has
decided to move operations to Mexico.

America is, unfortunately, beginning to reap what it has sown.

At one point we used to bring our Indian employee applicants to the
U.S. to interview and train. They just made a joke of us. They came
out here on our dime, took weekends in San Fran. and quit the moment
they got back home. Now we have the team in India interview and train
employees in India. We later learned that most companies sign a
contract with their employees that requires they repay all training
cost if they leave in the 1st year.

-Robert