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Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed



 
 
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Old November 6th 07, 05:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.travel.air,aus.aviation
Robert M. Gary
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

On Nov 5, 3:26 pm, wrote:

Most of the engineers that I worked with at Boeing felt this was a
mistake, as the suppliers tend to be self-serving and don't always
have Boeing's best interest in mind. They also don't play well with
each other like they must to successfully integrate the systems, and
Boeing engineers are often needed to mediate between suppliers.


That may or may not be in this case but the idea of outsourcing is
that you create a relationship between the companies where their
successes are based on each other (both on equal footing). If GM had
to make all the parts for your car the company would be so large it
would have no chance to work.

-Robert

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Old November 6th 07, 08:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.travel.air,aus.aviation
Gig 601XL Builder
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:26 pm, wrote:

Most of the engineers that I worked with at Boeing felt this was a
mistake, as the suppliers tend to be self-serving and don't always
have Boeing's best interest in mind. They also don't play well with
each other like they must to successfully integrate the systems, and
Boeing engineers are often needed to mediate between suppliers.


That may or may not be in this case but the idea of outsourcing is
that you create a relationship between the companies where their
successes are based on each other (both on equal footing). If GM had
to make all the parts for your car the company would be so large it
would have no chance to work.

-Robert


Let's keep one thing in mind. Much of the reason for outsourcing for Boeing
is to make foreign governments happy when it comes time to buy the plane.


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Old November 8th 07, 08:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.travel.air,aus.aviation
Mxsmanic
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Let's keep one thing in mind. Much of the reason for outsourcing for Boeing
is to make foreign governments happy when it comes time to buy the plane.


Yup. That's the overwhelming reason. It works almost as well as a bribe, and
it's legal. Unfortunately, it produces an inferior product.
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Old November 8th 07, 08:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.travel.air,aus.aviation
Gig 601XL Builder
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Let's keep one thing in mind. Much of the reason for outsourcing for
Boeing is to make foreign governments happy when it comes time to
buy the plane.


Yup. That's the overwhelming reason. It works almost as well as a
bribe, and it's legal. Unfortunately, it produces an inferior
product.


No that is just a nation taking care of their own. They know as well as
Boeing and anyone else that earns any of this stuff known as money, that you
have to sell an item in order to make any money.


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Old November 8th 07, 09:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Let's keep one thing in mind. Much of the reason for outsourcing for
Boeing is to make foreign governments happy when it comes time to buy
the plane.


Yup. That's the overwhelming reason. It works almost as well as a
bribe, and it's legal. Unfortunately, it produces an inferior
product.





You are an idiot.


You have no idea of whnce you speak.


Bertie
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Old November 9th 07, 09:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Big John
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed



On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:13:21 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Let's keep one thing in mind. Much of the reason for outsourcing for Boeing
is to make foreign governments happy when it comes time to buy the plane.


Yup. That's the overwhelming reason. It works almost as well as a bribe, and
it's legal. Unfortunately, it produces an inferior product.



Why?

Big John
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Old November 9th 07, 11:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Big John writes:

Why?


Because the places where things are made are being chosen to please potential
customers rather than as a function of technical competence and excellence.
You end up with substandard components from some Third-World dump in exchange
for a few extra contracts. You sell more planes, but they are less safe.
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Old November 9th 07, 11:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tina
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Have you any evidence to support the contention Boeng has compromised
safety by outsourcing?

On Nov 9, 6:47 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Big John writes:
Why?


Because the places where things are made are being chosen to please potential
customers rather than as a function of technical competence and excellence.
You end up with substandard components from some Third-World dump in exchange
for a few extra contracts. You sell more planes, but they are less safe.



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Old November 10th 07, 03:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Tina writes:

Have you any evidence to support the contention Boeng has compromised
safety by outsourcing?


No, but given the extremely poor record of outsourcing for political ends, I
fear the evidence may not be long in coming.
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Old November 10th 07, 01:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Default Boeing admits 787 strategy flawed

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Big John writes:

Why?


Because the places where things are made are being chosen to please
potential customers rather than as a function of technical competence
and excellence. You end up with substandard components from some
Third-World dump in exchange for a few extra contracts. You sell more
planes, but they are less safe.


Wrong again, fjukktard


Bertie
 




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