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Old November 6th 07, 08:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:


Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.


Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.


Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.


Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top
of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can
be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that
is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this
point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the
additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save
money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.


-Robert


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology. I know some languages for
micro controllers that are now 98% obsolete. I was about ready to put off my
SMT equipment on Flea-Bay get rid of it for good. I have all the stuff to
rework Thru-Hole to BGA till my T.V.'s power supply went nutty dusted it off
fixed it along with few other items around the house then packed it up and
placed it in at attic again. I Dusted off my Superpro 680 also now nolonger
supported, http://www.xeltek.com/pages.php?pageid=11 and programmed a bunch
of atmels and pic chips for a friend this weekend.

I do miss the great income but what the hell!! I like what I do, Flying is
way more fun don't miss sitting in a room in front of a computer all day and
night at all again.


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Old November 7th 07, 12:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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NW_Pilot wrote:


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.


And are willing to work short contract stints.

I work for a super-duper way big company (310,000 employees), and almost
all of our programming is done on a contracting basis. An application
gets ordered, it gets coded as fast as possible by 2000 guys in India,
then the contractors get canned and there's no one to fix or modify the
thing.

One of the big issues today is the move to replace old databases with
SAP, but all the old application SME's that "didn't keep up with the
times" are gone.

Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and
are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and
takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the
corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no
longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by
the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved
in SAP.


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Old November 7th 07, 06:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:

Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.


And are willing to work short contract stints.


The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.

-Robert


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Old November 7th 07, 10:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:

Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.


And are willing to work short contract stints.


The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.

-Robert



It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no
one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison
system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for
almost nothing.

I am not going to spend 30-50k to learn new devices and languages and spend
1/4 of a year in classes to make 70-80K for maybe 2 years. Now back in the
day mid to late 90's I was paid to take the classes from the client or
provided contracts from leading device/component manufactures for attending.
Money was great 3 to 4 times what's paid now then rapidly declined when they
were able to outsource or bring in foreign workers and get tax breaks!!

USA = United Slaves Of America






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Old November 8th 07, 03:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Nov 7, 2:21 pm, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.


And are willing to work short contract stints.


The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.


-Robert


It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no
one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison
system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for
almost nothing.



Man, that's certainly not what I'm seeing. Companies are paying at
least 6 figures now plus benefits if they can get someone. I just
interviewed a programmer with years of C and C++ experience. I asked
her what the keyword "virtual" means in C++ and she didn't know. I
asked her what they keyword "static" means in C in different places in
code and she had no idea. Its a very tough market out there to find
programmers who have done more than just write scripts for their IT
department.

-Robert

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Old November 26th 07, 04:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Nov 8, 8:42 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Nov 7, 2:21 pm, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:





"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com...


On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote:


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology.


And are willing to work short contract stints.


The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are
usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers
out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers.


-Robert


It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no
one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison
system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for
almost nothing.


Man, that's certainly not what I'm seeing. Companies are paying at
least 6 figures now plus benefits if they can get someone. I just
interviewed a programmer with years of C and C++ experience. I asked
her what the keyword "virtual" means in C++ and she didn't know. I
asked her what they keyword "static" means in C in different places in
code and she had no idea. Its a very tough market out there to find
programmers who have done more than just write scripts for their IT
department.

-Robert- Hide quoted text -

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Do you allow software engineers to work remotely with your team? If
so, there are lots of C++ programmers in Boise that are available,
some from HP, some from Micron. You might try advertising here. I
doubt many of them want to move to California though. I know that I
don't...

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Old November 9th 07, 01:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and
are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and
takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the
corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no
longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by
the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved in
SAP.


You -just- described the future of my workplace. There's one person who
wrote the app, hasn't documented it and the company now relies on it. They
can't fire him because they replaced an industry-wide standard with a
software monopoly owned by one employee who spends all day long looking up
parts for his car. If he gets hit by a truck tomorrow there will be nobody
to support the application that interfaces thousands of customers.

We've been telling them that for three years, but...I don't know if it's
some MBA method that has been getting taught or what...management everywhere
seems to be a bunch of bobbleheads; they nod their heads at whatever you say
all day long, acknowledging what a big problem it is, but they never
actually -do- anything about those problems. When everything falls apart,
they take their severance, find a job elsewhere and move one. SNAFU.

-c


 




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