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![]() "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote: Morgans wrote: Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry? Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready. Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom. Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago. Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs. put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months. -Robert Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. I know some languages for micro controllers that are now 98% obsolete. I was about ready to put off my SMT equipment on Flea-Bay get rid of it for good. I have all the stuff to rework Thru-Hole to BGA till my T.V.'s power supply went nutty dusted it off fixed it along with few other items around the house then packed it up and placed it in at attic again. I Dusted off my Superpro 680 also now nolonger supported, http://www.xeltek.com/pages.php?pageid=11 and programmed a bunch of atmels and pic chips for a friend this weekend. I do miss the great income but what the hell!! I like what I do, Flying is way more fun don't miss sitting in a room in front of a computer all day and night at all again. |
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Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. And are willing to work short contract stints. I work for a super-duper way big company (310,000 employees), and almost all of our programming is done on a contracting basis. An application gets ordered, it gets coded as fast as possible by 2000 guys in India, then the contractors get canned and there's no one to fix or modify the thing. One of the big issues today is the move to replace old databases with SAP, but all the old application SME's that "didn't keep up with the times" are gone. Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved in SAP. |
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On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote:
NW_Pilot wrote: Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. And are willing to work short contract stints. The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers. -Robert |
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![]() "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote: NW_Pilot wrote: Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. And are willing to work short contract stints. The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers. -Robert It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for almost nothing. I am not going to spend 30-50k to learn new devices and languages and spend 1/4 of a year in classes to make 70-80K for maybe 2 years. Now back in the day mid to late 90's I was paid to take the classes from the client or provided contracts from leading device/component manufactures for attending. Money was great 3 to 4 times what's paid now then rapidly declined when they were able to outsource or bring in foreign workers and get tax breaks!! USA = United Slaves Of America |
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On Nov 7, 2:21 pm, "NW_Pilot"
wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com... On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote: NW_Pilot wrote: Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. And are willing to work short contract stints. The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers. -Robert It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for almost nothing. Man, that's certainly not what I'm seeing. Companies are paying at least 6 figures now plus benefits if they can get someone. I just interviewed a programmer with years of C and C++ experience. I asked her what the keyword "virtual" means in C++ and she didn't know. I asked her what they keyword "static" means in C in different places in code and she had no idea. Its a very tough market out there to find programmers who have done more than just write scripts for their IT department. -Robert |
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On Nov 8, 8:42 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Nov 7, 2:21 pm, "NW_Pilot" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com... On Nov 7, 4:01 am, B A R R Y wrote: NW_Pilot wrote: Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could afford to keep with the times and technology. And are willing to work short contract stints. The main reason businesses go for short term contracts (which are usually more expensive) is because is damn hard to find programmers out there to hire. Its a very, very tight market for employers. -Robert It's almost as bad as the airlines there are programmers out there but no one wants to pay the labor rates! So they outsource it to the u.s. prison system or overseas to a poor third world country where people work for almost nothing. Man, that's certainly not what I'm seeing. Companies are paying at least 6 figures now plus benefits if they can get someone. I just interviewed a programmer with years of C and C++ experience. I asked her what the keyword "virtual" means in C++ and she didn't know. I asked her what they keyword "static" means in C in different places in code and she had no idea. Its a very tough market out there to find programmers who have done more than just write scripts for their IT department. -Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do you allow software engineers to work remotely with your team? If so, there are lots of C++ programmers in Boise that are available, some from HP, some from Micron. You might try advertising here. I doubt many of them want to move to California though. I know that I don't... |
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![]() "B A R R Y" wrote in message t... Some of the old apps include 30+ years of undocumented work arounds, and are based on many distributed, custom versions obtained via mergers and takeovers. These are the basic daily operation systems for the corporation. The vendors who sold the original applications either no longer have access to the talent, or they demand way-insane, got ya' by the short ones, consulting fees to help define the problem to be solved in SAP. You -just- described the future of my workplace. There's one person who wrote the app, hasn't documented it and the company now relies on it. They can't fire him because they replaced an industry-wide standard with a software monopoly owned by one employee who spends all day long looking up parts for his car. If he gets hit by a truck tomorrow there will be nobody to support the application that interfaces thousands of customers. We've been telling them that for three years, but...I don't know if it's some MBA method that has been getting taught or what...management everywhere seems to be a bunch of bobbleheads; they nod their heads at whatever you say all day long, acknowledging what a big problem it is, but they never actually -do- anything about those problems. When everything falls apart, they take their severance, find a job elsewhere and move one. SNAFU. -c |
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