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Old November 8th 07, 02:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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They are facing a nuclear-armed USA (and other countries), run by some
idiots that hold "hostile combatants" without trial etc. for undefined
time in concentration camps (Gitmo).


The issue of enemy combatants is a complicated one when the enemy
fights an international, religiously-driven war. The rules of war, so
cut and dried when everyone agrees to wear different-colored uniforms,
behind a flag, get pretty fuzzy when one side hides behind women and
children, and doesn't identify themselves until they pop up holding an
RPG.

This war is quite different from past wars. Thanks to instant
worldwide communication national boundaries mean little. Radical
Islamicists span the globe, and carry on the fight without regard to
nationality. For the first time in history, an enemy is capable
(thanks to this wonderful internet) of carrying on a global war
without any kind of traditional force structure. This means that the
enemy can be literally *anywhere* -- truly a chilling thought.

Gitmo is a POW camp, and POWs are released when the war ends. With
one side so diffuse, and no one empowered to sign surrender papers,
how do you tell when the war is "over"? Your guess is as good as
mine.

How can we address the diffuse nature of the enemy? Aside from the
removal of Saddam, one of the main purposes of the invasion of Iraq
was to concentrate the opposition in one place, under the "flag" of
Jihad. While the Left has labeled Iraq a failure for becoming a
"spawning ground for terrorists", I believe that this was a deliberate
(and quite successful) strategy from the start. Like flies to ****,
the terrorists squandered their one true advantage by geographically
concentrating themselves so that a traditional military could defeat
them.

Of course, there are signs that they are starting to realize their
mistake. The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq illustrates
that the enemy is no longer willing to confront the military head-to-
head, and may simply be melting back into the landscape.

It also may illustrate that the enemy has finally realized that all
they really have to do is wait till November 2008, and they will be
able to march into the Green Zone unopposed. Much like the Viet Cong
in 1974, all they have to do is wait for the US to retreat. (In case
you don't know, by 1975 the Viet Cong had renamed Saigon -- the former
capital of South Vietnam, "Ho Chi Minh City".)

Not that I would expect you to appreciate or understand the often
subtle nature of this worldwide conflict, but you really need to think
a LITTLE before you post. The issues are never as cut and dried as
you apparently believe.
--
Jay Honeck
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Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
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Old November 8th 07, 04:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Jay,

The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq


The what???

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Old November 8th 07, 05:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Jay,

The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq


The what???


So now you are not only a knee-jerk European America hater but you have
reading comprehension problems as well.

He said, "The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq"


http://www.reuters.com/article/middl.../idUSCOL248131

By Aseel Kami

BAGHDAD, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since
the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000 extra
troops to stabilise the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry said on
Monday.


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Old November 8th 07, 05:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Gig,

So now you are not only a knee-jerk European America hater


Jeeze, guys, I thought you came from the land of the free and all. Can't we
have an interesting discussion about this without throwing personal insults?
Kind of degrades your arguments if you start doing that as soon as someone
ventures a different opinion.

You don't remotely know me enough to be able to make that statement above. And
it's a typical knee-jerk ugly American redneck reaction of you, too ;-)


...the Interior Ministry said on
Monday.


Gee, I guess that's a truly objective and trustworthy source who would have
nothing to gain from coming to that conclusion, right?

--
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Old November 8th 07, 07:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Gig,

So now you are not only a knee-jerk European America hater


Jeeze, guys, I thought you came from the land of the free and all.
Can't we have an interesting discussion about this without throwing
personal insults? Kind of degrades your arguments if you start doing
that as soon as someone ventures a different opinion.

You don't remotely know me enough to be able to make that statement
above. And it's a typical knee-jerk ugly American redneck reaction of
you, too ;-)



I don't know you at all except for what you have wrtitten here. Your posts
when they are aviation related are ususally right on. But give you the
slight opening for a chance to make a negative comment about the US and you
jump on it every time. That is my definition of knee-jerk.



...the Interior Ministry said on
Monday.


Gee, I guess that's a truly objective and trustworthy source who
would have nothing to gain from coming to that conclusion, right?


Reuters is anti-american enough for you? How about this.

http://icasualties.org/oif_a/CasualtyTrends.htm


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Old November 9th 07, 09:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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The problem is that the majority of Americans who write here are right
wing "right or wrong my country" "screw all foreigners" types. That
observation is not anti-US, it's anti-bigotry. If you were all a bit
more moderate there wouldn't be an urge to jump on it every time. We
know there are moderate Americans around, but they aren't writing here.


That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old November 8th 07, 09:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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("Thomas Borchert" wrote)
You don't remotely know me enough to be able to make that statement above.
And it's a typical knee-jerk ugly American redneck reaction of you, too
;-)



No need to start slinging the "r" word around.


Montblack :-)


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Old November 8th 07, 05:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Jay,

The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq


The what???


So now you are not only a knee-jerk European America hater but you
have reading comprehension problems as well.

He said, "The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq"



Didn't rain today, must be the start of a drought.


Bertie
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Old November 8th 07, 05:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Thomas Borchert wrote in
:

Jay,

The current dramatic drop in violence in Iraq


The what???


The violence has decreased slightly. "The current dramatic drop" thing is
Bush-ese for "we're gonna win this thing"



Bertie
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Old November 8th 07, 10:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote

The violence has decreased slightly. "The current dramatic drop" thing is
Bush-ese for "we're gonna win this thing"


Numbers support the lessening violence, and they are not Bush (or anyone
else) driven propaganda.

Fact is, there have been less US and civilian deaths, country wide, for the
past month. A good number less.
--
Jim in NC


 




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