phoenix class b updates

How do I update the new Phoenix class b airspace to See You. See
You's files do nort have the changes. How often does See You update
thier charts?
Thanks
Mike Martin

Hi Mike,

We had a similar issue here in Minnesota when the MSP Class B airspace
changed. I asked Andrej at SeeYou to post an updated airspace file and he
did. I recommend that you send him details on the dimensions of the new
airspace.

I recommend that you also send the details to StrePla and WinPilot and
SoarPilot.

I believe that the airport data the John Leibacher has access to also
includes current airspace data, but I'm not certain.

I would be glad to help you get this resolved.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

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How do I update the new Phoenix class b airspace to See You. See
You's files do nort have the changes. How often does See You update
thier charts?
Thanks
Mike Martin

On Nov 10, 9:10 am, "Paul Remde" wrote:
Hi Mike,

We had a similar issue here in Minnesota when the MSP Class B airspace
changed. I asked Andrej at SeeYou to post an updated airspace file and he
did. I recommend that you send him details on the dimensions of the new
airspace.

I recommend that you also send the details to StrePla and WinPilot and
SoarPilot.

I believe that the airport data the John Leibacher has access to also
includes current airspace data, but I'm not certain.

I would be glad to help you get this resolved.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the commens. I have sent a message to the See You forum.
Mike Martin

Anyone thinking of soaring in the Phoenix area should be aware that
gliders without operating transponders are not allowed to fly between
9,0000 ft and 10,000ft within the 30 nm mode C veil. This is direct
consequence of the lowering of the class B ceiling from 10,000ft to
9,000ft.

Andy

doesn't the transponder exception for aircraft manufactured without an
electrical system apply (or are you saying that they can't fly inside
the Class B airspace)?

Scott


Andy wrote:

Anyone thinking of soaring in the Phoenix area should be aware that
gliders without operating transponders are not allowed to fly between
9,0000 ft and 10,000ft within the 30 nm mode C veil. This is direct
consequence of the lowering of the class B ceiling from 10,000ft to
9,000ft.

Andy


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On Nov 11, 8:20 am, Scott wrote:
doesn't the transponder exception for aircraft manufactured without an
electrical system apply (or are you saying that they can't fly inside
the Class B airspace)?

Scott

In general, gliders have exemption to fly without a transponder under
a mode C veil up to 10,000 feet, but the lowered class B around
Phoenix overrides that.

There is a letter of agreement available between local FBOs and the
Arizona Soaring Association that would permit gliders to again operate
in this 1000 feet of airspace, but to my knowledge, no one has signed
it.

Personally, I think you are nuts to want to fly anywhere near this
airspace without a transponder. legal or not.

There is also the more important question of whether or not we'll even
have anywhere to launch in the foreseeable future. The newly re-
opened Turf Soaring and Estrella Sailport are under pressure from
development and I'm not hopeful that they will have a long future.

Mike



Andy wrote:
Anyone thinking of soaring in the Phoenix area should be aware that
gliders without operating transponders are not allowed to fly between
9,0000 ft and 10,000ft within the 30 nm mode C veil. This is direct
consequence of the lowering of the class B ceiling from 10,000ft to
9,000ft.

Andy

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Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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