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"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
I don't doubt the US military budget was huge during the cold war,
but so was ours. And so was the Soviet Union's BTW. I guess that's
the price you pay for wanting to be a super power. When you want to
project military power to all corners of the globe, have nuclear
submarines and air craft carriers roam the world oceans, have troops
stand by for the odd invasion here and there, it costs lots of
money. The US didn't do all that out of kindness, but for selfish
reasons, namely to maintain their superpower status. Don't portrait
it as a gift please. The benefit was mutual.

Really? What benefit did the US gain by saving/protecting Europe?
I'd be interested in hearing your take on this matter, because I see
very little return on our investment.

Not only was it expensive in dollars and lives lost in accidents, but
Europe, as many Europeans admit, lot the ability and nerve to defend
itself.



Good lord.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:R0p_i.781$2n4.24372
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote in news:1194964810.954677.52380
@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

You'd be speaking Russian, but I guess that's a small price to
pay,
eh?
What Bertie says. The amount of ignorance you display so loudly and
proudly is stunning.
You know you're in good company when you're standing four-square
with
the group's Troll of Trolls,##


I beg your pardon.

I'm usenet's troll of trolls.


How many other trolls do you know who have shaken up two large
governments?
I don't know any trolls who have done that.



Now you do.

The 13 million American men and women who fought to save your sorry
asses in World War II -- including my father -- must be rolling in
their graves. What an incredible waste of time, lives, money, and
effort.

Another generation of American men and women who paid billions of
their tax dollars to rebuild Europe after World War II, and then
sacrificed their blood and treasure to fight the Cold War for
another
generation, must surely be thinking the same thing -- why did we
bother?

You really don't know, do you?


I'm betting you never will.
What is your theory as to why we did this? I can think of a few, but
I'm not sure which are truly valid in the final analysis.



Theory? You need to look up the definition of the word.

I'm quite familiar with the word and its definition.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/theory

I think at least definitions 1, 2, 4b and 6 apply.

Maybe you should refresh your memory on the definition a little.


Noone can ever have a theory on a subject as vast as 2oth century
history. For one thing, most of it didn't take place in the 20th
century, much of it is hidden and a lot of it is just plain lies.

What I have, and this is as much as anyone can have, are perceptions,
notions and a perspective that's considerably different from your's.


There's not much point in me sharing them with you since you're a
blockhead. But please, don't let that stop you from spouting off from
the depths of your ignorance and prejudice ( or if you prefer
"prejidoose")

OK, so you have no coherent thoughts on the subject.

You are awful caustic lately. Must have been that buttnip comment... :-)

Matt

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:52p_i.783$2n4.24268
@news1.epix.net:

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"John Godwin" wrote in message
...
"news.verizon.net" wrote in
news:yH5_i.4198$cD.2577@trndny08:

Do you have any cite for this? Nothing I can find nor anything
I've heard of before supports this. ( That West Germany paid for
US Military )
Armies Of Occupation are supported by the country being occupied.
I
served as a US Army Color Photolab Technician (1960-1962) and all
of
our equipment and supplies were provided by the West Germans.

Assuming that is true, that is a small part of the cost for
maintaining a military presence.

Who paid for the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft, trucks,
jeeps, personnel transports, military member's pay, and the list
could
go on.

Not the country who was putting us up. Uncle Sam; (the US) that's
where all of the money came from.
The West German government paid for ALL of the occupation costs in
West
Berlin of the US, UK and France.
They paid for all of the R&D for all of the equipment? Really???


Parsimonious fjukkwit.

I see you have ceded the debate.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:R0p_i.781$2n4.24372
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote in
news:1194964810.954677.52380 @o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

You'd be speaking Russian, but I guess that's a small price to
pay,
eh?
What Bertie says. The amount of ignorance you display so loudly
and proudly is stunning.
You know you're in good company when you're standing four-square
with
the group's Troll of Trolls,##


I beg your pardon.

I'm usenet's troll of trolls.


How many other trolls do you know who have shaken up two large
governments?
I don't know any trolls who have done that.



Now you do.

The 13 million American men and women who fought to save your
sorry asses in World War II -- including my father -- must be
rolling in their graves. What an incredible waste of time, lives,
money, and effort.

Another generation of American men and women who paid billions of
their tax dollars to rebuild Europe after World War II, and then
sacrificed their blood and treasure to fight the Cold War for
another
generation, must surely be thinking the same thing -- why did we
bother?

You really don't know, do you?


I'm betting you never will.
What is your theory as to why we did this? I can think of a few,
but I'm not sure which are truly valid in the final analysis.



Theory? You need to look up the definition of the word.

I'm quite familiar with the word and its definition.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/theory

I think at least definitions 1, 2, 4b and 6 apply.

Maybe you should refresh your memory on the definition a little.


Noone can ever have a theory on a subject as vast as 2oth century
history. For one thing, most of it didn't take place in the 20th
century, much of it is hidden and a lot of it is just plain lies.

What I have, and this is as much as anyone can have, are perceptions,
notions and a perspective that's considerably different from your's.


There's not much point in me sharing them with you since you're a
blockhead. But please, don't let that stop you from spouting off from
the depths of your ignorance and prejudice ( or if you prefer
"prejidoose")

OK, so you have no coherent thoughts on the subject.



Oh no. I feel so ...discredited.


You are awful caustic lately. Must have been that buttnip comment...


Oh yeah. I care what you think.


Bertie

Matt Whiting wrote in news:%yp_i.787$2n4.24324
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:52p_i.783$2n4.24268
@news1.epix.net:

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"John Godwin" wrote in message
...
"news.verizon.net" wrote in
news:yH5_i.4198$cD.2577@trndny08:

Do you have any cite for this? Nothing I can find nor anything
I've heard of before supports this. ( That West Germany paid for
US Military )
Armies Of Occupation are supported by the country being occupied.
I
served as a US Army Color Photolab Technician (1960-1962) and all
of
our equipment and supplies were provided by the West Germans.

Assuming that is true, that is a small part of the cost for
maintaining a military presence.

Who paid for the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft, trucks,
jeeps, personnel transports, military member's pay, and the list
could
go on.

Not the country who was putting us up. Uncle Sam; (the US) that's
where all of the money came from.
The West German government paid for ALL of the occupation costs in
West
Berlin of the US, UK and France.
They paid for all of the R&D for all of the equipment? Really???


Parsimonious fjukkwit.

I see you have ceded the debate.


Oh yes, you win.

Thank god you're there to look after me, that's what I say.




Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:R0p_i.781$2n4.24372
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote in
news:1194964810.954677.52380 @o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

You'd be speaking Russian, but I guess that's a small price to
pay,
eh?
What Bertie says. The amount of ignorance you display so loudly
and proudly is stunning.
You know you're in good company when you're standing four-square
with
the group's Troll of Trolls,##

I beg your pardon.

I'm usenet's troll of trolls.


How many other trolls do you know who have shaken up two large
governments?
I don't know any trolls who have done that.


Now you do.

The 13 million American men and women who fought to save your
sorry asses in World War II -- including my father -- must be
rolling in their graves. What an incredible waste of time, lives,
money, and effort.

Another generation of American men and women who paid billions of
their tax dollars to rebuild Europe after World War II, and then
sacrificed their blood and treasure to fight the Cold War for
another
generation, must surely be thinking the same thing -- why did we
bother?
You really don't know, do you?


I'm betting you never will.
What is your theory as to why we did this? I can think of a few,
but I'm not sure which are truly valid in the final analysis.


Theory? You need to look up the definition of the word.
I'm quite familiar with the word and its definition.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/theory

I think at least definitions 1, 2, 4b and 6 apply.

Maybe you should refresh your memory on the definition a little.


Noone can ever have a theory on a subject as vast as 2oth century
history. For one thing, most of it didn't take place in the 20th
century, much of it is hidden and a lot of it is just plain lies.

What I have, and this is as much as anyone can have, are perceptions,
notions and a perspective that's considerably different from your's.


There's not much point in me sharing them with you since you're a
blockhead. But please, don't let that stop you from spouting off from
the depths of your ignorance and prejudice ( or if you prefer
"prejidoose")
OK, so you have no coherent thoughts on the subject.



Oh no. I feel so ...discredited.

You are awful caustic lately. Must have been that buttnip comment...


Oh yeah. I care what you think.

You must. You keep replying to my posts, including many which weren't
replies to your posts. I'm so honored...

Matt

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:%yp_i.787$2n4.24324
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:52p_i.783$2n4.24268
@news1.epix.net:

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"John Godwin" wrote in message
...
"news.verizon.net" wrote in
news:yH5_i.4198$cD.2577@trndny08:

Do you have any cite for this? Nothing I can find nor anything
I've heard of before supports this. ( That West Germany paid for
US Military )
Armies Of Occupation are supported by the country being occupied.
I
served as a US Army Color Photolab Technician (1960-1962) and all
of
our equipment and supplies were provided by the West Germans.

Assuming that is true, that is a small part of the cost for
maintaining a military presence.

Who paid for the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft, trucks,
jeeps, personnel transports, military member's pay, and the list
could
go on.

Not the country who was putting us up. Uncle Sam; (the US) that's
where all of the money came from.
The West German government paid for ALL of the occupation costs in
West
Berlin of the US, UK and France.
They paid for all of the R&D for all of the equipment? Really???

Parsimonious fjukkwit.
I see you have ceded the debate.


Oh yes, you win.

Oh goody, what did I win?

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:n%p_i.788$2n4.24359
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:R0p_i.781$2n4.24372
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote in
news:1194964810.954677.52380 @o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

You'd be speaking Russian, but I guess that's a small price to
pay,
eh?
What Bertie says. The amount of ignorance you display so loudly
and proudly is stunning.
You know you're in good company when you're standing four-square
with
the group's Troll of Trolls,##

I beg your pardon.

I'm usenet's troll of trolls.


How many other trolls do you know who have shaken up two large
governments?
I don't know any trolls who have done that.


Now you do.

The 13 million American men and women who fought to save your
sorry asses in World War II -- including my father -- must be
rolling in their graves. What an incredible waste of time,
lives,
money, and effort.

Another generation of American men and women who paid billions
of
their tax dollars to rebuild Europe after World War II, and then
sacrificed their blood and treasure to fight the Cold War for
another
generation, must surely be thinking the same thing -- why did we
bother?
You really don't know, do you?


I'm betting you never will.
What is your theory as to why we did this? I can think of a few,
but I'm not sure which are truly valid in the final analysis.


Theory? You need to look up the definition of the word.
I'm quite familiar with the word and its definition.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/theory

I think at least definitions 1, 2, 4b and 6 apply.

Maybe you should refresh your memory on the definition a little.


Noone can ever have a theory on a subject as vast as 2oth century
history. For one thing, most of it didn't take place in the 20th
century, much of it is hidden and a lot of it is just plain lies.

What I have, and this is as much as anyone can have, are
perceptions,
notions and a perspective that's considerably different from
your's.


There's not much point in me sharing them with you since you're a
blockhead. But please, don't let that stop you from spouting off
from
the depths of your ignorance and prejudice ( or if you prefer
"prejidoose")
OK, so you have no coherent thoughts on the subject.



Oh no. I feel so ...discredited.

You are awful caustic lately. Must have been that buttnip
comment...


Oh yeah. I care what you think.

You must. You keep replying to my posts, including many which weren't
replies to your posts. I'm so honored...


I'm a troll, fjukwit.


Go over to rec.auto.makers.jeep+willys and check out your competetion.


Bertie

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:%yp_i.787$2n4.24324
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:52p_i.783$2n4.24268
@news1.epix.net:

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"John Godwin" wrote in message
...
"news.verizon.net" wrote in
news:yH5_i.4198$cD.2577@trndny08:

Do you have any cite for this? Nothing I can find nor
anything I've heard of before supports this. ( That West
Germany paid for US Military )
Armies Of Occupation are supported by the country being
occupied.
I
served as a US Army Color Photolab Technician (1960-1962) and
all
of
our equipment and supplies were provided by the West Germans.

Assuming that is true, that is a small part of the cost for
maintaining a military presence.

Who paid for the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft,
trucks, jeeps, personnel transports, military member's pay, and
the list
could
go on.

Not the country who was putting us up. Uncle Sam; (the US)
that's where all of the money came from.
The West German government paid for ALL of the occupation costs
in
West
Berlin of the US, UK and France.
They paid for all of the R&D for all of the equipment? Really???

Parsimonious fjukkwit.
I see you have ceded the debate.


Oh yes, you win.

Oh goody, what did I win?


Your right to live in the depths of your ignorance, of course.



Bertie

Jay Honeck writes:

The 13 million American men and women who fought to save your sorry
asses in World War II -- including my father -- must be rolling in
their graves.

Not any faster than all the Europeans who fought for your American
independence 150 years earlier.

Another generation of American men and women who paid billions of
their tax dollars to rebuild Europe after World War II, and then
sacrificed their blood and treasure to fight the Cold War for another
generation, must surely be thinking the same thing -- why did we
bother?

How much blood was lost in the Cold War?