Ferry flight a commercial op?

No, but it IS in their legal rulings.

Helen

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Helen wrote in
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The FAA can interpret you logging the flight time as compensation and
as such the CFI is correct. I've actually had a long chat with AOPA
on this subject. I manage a light sport flight school and most of my
staff are age 60+ and don't carry medicals. They'd need a second
class one to ferry a plane if we paid them for their time. If they
volunteer their time though, it gets gray. AOPA is pretty certain
though we're OK letting them ferry planes as volunteers though just
for the simple fact that the FAA would have a hard time making a case
that a 68 year old 40,000 hour pilot, really considered the .5 of
hobbs time as compensation he could use for his up and coming career.

Assuming you aren't age 68 with 40,000 hours, you should probably
avoid the ferry duty.


I disagree. There's nothing in the FARs that says that flying time has a
value.
If you go pich up your friend's car somewhere for him it doesn't make you a
taxi driver.

Bertie

Helen wrote in
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No, but it IS in their legal rulings.



Still, can't se them making a case out of it unless they were trying to get
at someone for something else that was upsetting them.



I know one I can ask next time I see him, but he's the most anti FAA person
I ever met, even though he's an inspector for them.



Bertie

Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Helen wrote in
news:KSs_i.5976$VB6.2248@trnddc06:

No, but it IS in their legal rulings.



Still, can't se them making a case out of it unless they were trying to get
at someone for something else that was upsetting them.



I know one I can ask next time I see him, but he's the most anti FAA person
I ever met, even though he's an inspector for them.



Bertie

"Helen" wrote in message
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Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at some
of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to prosecute well
meaning pilots.


Legal interpretations are nothing, look for rulings.

Helen wrote in
news:8ft_i.6111$VB6.5184@trnddc06:

Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.



Hmm, probably wouldn't be all that surprised. OK, you sold me, though it's
kind of irrelevant in my case..


OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?

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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?


Pilot pays for nothing.

Let's break it down into two examples then.

One, he's part of a flying club, pays dues monthly, let's say he washes
airplanes and what not for flying time, and in the second example he's just
a friend of a guy who hasn't got time to schlepp his airplane to the field
where the radio shop is. He's just doing it as a favor to the owner.

I've known both of these to have happened in the distant past (with the
flying club an FAA inspector was one of the members and knew)


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
:

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
...

OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?


Pilot pays for nothing.

Let's break it down into two examples then.

One, he's part of a flying club, pays dues monthly, let's say he washes
airplanes and what not for flying time,

If he/she/it "paid" for this flight by working for the club - then they
"paid" their own way. Not much the FAA can do.

and in the second example he's just
a friend of a guy who hasn't got time to schlepp his airplane to the field
where the radio shop is. He's just doing it as a favor to the owner.

Then he/she/it is getting "free hours" which, if someone gets a bug up their
butt, could be a problem.


I've known both of these to have happened in the distant past (with the
flying club an FAA inspector was one of the members and knew)


I'm sure it hapens a lot. I assume in these cases, the FAA inspector didn't
think it was worth making a fuss about. 1 hour of "free" time? Big Whoop. On
the other hand, if someone is looking for an excuse to cause trouble...

There is no shortage of a-holes out there.

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Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

On Nov 13, 7:41 pm, Helen wrote:
Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.

Helen,
the AOPA people are probably the last resource you should recomend.
The ALPA legal services plan is probably not a good way to get
interpritations.The staff may be well meaning, but most of them lack
the qualifications and expertise to do members much good.Over the
years most of the prominent aviation attorneys have dropped out of the
plan. I would recomend most pilots just talk to their own attorneys if
they have a question.
KFB

"Helen" wrote in message
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Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at some
of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to prosecute well
meaning pilots.

Do you have any examples?

-c