Ferry flight a commercial op?

Helen wrote in
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No, but it IS in their legal rulings.



Still, can't se them making a case out of it unless they were trying to get
at someone for something else that was upsetting them.



I know one I can ask next time I see him, but he's the most anti FAA person
I ever met, even though he's an inspector for them.



Bertie

Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Helen wrote in
news:KSs_i.5976$VB6.2248@trnddc06:

No, but it IS in their legal rulings.



Still, can't se them making a case out of it unless they were trying to get
at someone for something else that was upsetting them.



I know one I can ask next time I see him, but he's the most anti FAA person
I ever met, even though he's an inspector for them.



Bertie

"Helen" wrote in message
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Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at some
of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to prosecute well
meaning pilots.


Legal interpretations are nothing, look for rulings.

Helen wrote in
news:8ft_i.6111$VB6.5184@trnddc06:

Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.



Hmm, probably wouldn't be all that surprised. OK, you sold me, though it's
kind of irrelevant in my case..


OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?

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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?


Pilot pays for nothing.

Let's break it down into two examples then.

One, he's part of a flying club, pays dues monthly, let's say he washes
airplanes and what not for flying time, and in the second example he's just
a friend of a guy who hasn't got time to schlepp his airplane to the field
where the radio shop is. He's just doing it as a favor to the owner.

I've known both of these to have happened in the distant past (with the
flying club an FAA inspector was one of the members and knew)


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an airplane
that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?


Pilot pays for nothing.

Let's break it down into two examples then.

One, he's part of a flying club, pays dues monthly, let's say he washes
airplanes and what not for flying time,

If he/she/it "paid" for this flight by working for the club - then they
"paid" their own way. Not much the FAA can do.

and in the second example he's just
a friend of a guy who hasn't got time to schlepp his airplane to the field
where the radio shop is. He's just doing it as a favor to the owner.

Then he/she/it is getting "free hours" which, if someone gets a bug up their
butt, could be a problem.


I've known both of these to have happened in the distant past (with the
flying club an FAA inspector was one of the members and knew)


I'm sure it hapens a lot. I assume in these cases, the FAA inspector didn't
think it was worth making a fuss about. 1 hour of "free" time? Big Whoop. On
the other hand, if someone is looking for an excuse to cause trouble...

There is no shortage of a-holes out there.

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Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
:

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
...

OK, what about sending one of our club members up to collect an
airplane that's been at a radio shop?


Bertie

Who is paying for the gas?


Pilot pays for nothing.

Let's break it down into two examples then.

One, he's part of a flying club, pays dues monthly, let's say he
washes airplanes and what not for flying time,

If he/she/it "paid" for this flight by working for the club - then
they "paid" their own way. Not much the FAA can do.

and in the second example he's just
a friend of a guy who hasn't got time to schlepp his airplane to the
field where the radio shop is. He's just doing it as a favor to the
owner.

Then he/she/it is getting "free hours" which, if someone gets a bug up
their butt, could be a problem.


I've known both of these to have happened in the distant past (with
the flying club an FAA inspector was one of the members and knew)


I'm sure it hapens a lot. I assume in these cases, the FAA inspector
didn't think it was worth making a fuss about. 1 hour of "free" time?
Big Whoop. On the other hand, if someone is looking for an excuse to
cause trouble...

There is no shortage of a-holes out there.


Well, as I said, it was years ago and the FAA, PITA though it may have
been back then, wasn't anything like as anal as it is now.
For instance, in one 135 operation I did some part time for, single
engine "over the top" was pretty common. Anyone who has ever looked at
the rules for this and actually remembered them should get some sort of
award. So, the way it worked was, you didn't do anything too stupid
during an over the top flight and when you got back you looked it up and
matched your flight to one of the many options in the book. The FAA were
OK with that, too. Commone sense prevailed.
I wouldn't imagine that's the case nowadays.

Bertie

On Nov 13, 7:41 pm, Helen wrote:
Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at
some of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to
prosecute well meaning pilots.

Helen,
the AOPA people are probably the last resource you should recomend.
The ALPA legal services plan is probably not a good way to get
interpritations.The staff may be well meaning, but most of them lack
the qualifications and expertise to do members much good.Over the
years most of the prominent aviation attorneys have dropped out of the
plan. I would recomend most pilots just talk to their own attorneys if
they have a question.
KFB

"Helen" wrote in message
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Just call AOPA. All of our membership dollars pay those folks to sit
around reading the FAA legal interpretations. You'll be surprised at some
of the petty cases the FAA has taken on under this rule to prosecute well
meaning pilots.

Do you have any examples?

-c