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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

So is it your opinion that had the US not sworn to protect Western
Europe during the cold war the USSR would probably still not ever
attemped to take over Western Europe?

I don't know. Would the US have attempted to take over Warsaw Pact
countries if the USSR had not been protecting them?

There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita Khrushchev
said, "We will bury you!"

There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita Khrushchev
said, "We will bury you!"

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.

I understand how a defeated nation like Germany might subtly inflect
their history books to cast shadows on the victors -- it's human
nature to do so -- but for any German to cast such a positive light on
the SOVIETS (of all people!) is just amazing.

All one needs to do is study the history of the Eastern Front from
1941 to 1945 to appreciate the utter brutality and vindictiveness of
the Soviet army. Tens of thousands of German troops who surrendered
to the Soviets simply disappeared -- executed or starved to death,
without apology or remorse.

Yet somehow, 65 years later, the Warsaw Pact and NATO alliances are
seen as moral EQUALS? NATO -- the very structure that was set up to
protect Europe from similar treatment at the hands of a vengeful,
incredibly powerful, and expansionist Stalin -- is seen as nothing
more than a tool of American imperialism?

Wolfgang and Thomas are the unfortunate products of their societies --
which brings me full circle back to where I started, with the
statement: "Why did we bother?"
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.


The pure conjecture with which you make up your "facts" is what is to
weep.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay,

Wolfgang and Thomas are the unfortunate products of their societies --


Same to you, my friend, same to you.

IMHO, we're much better off than you are - offense meant.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay Honeck wrote in
:

There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita
Khrushchev said, "We will bury you!"

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.



You'd have made a great little porpogandist. You're very fond of putting
words in peoples mouths.

I suppose in the mind of someonewho thinks that siting in a go-kart while
playing a nintendo is flying and who builds some sort of aviation
disneland that's to be expected.


Bertie

Jay Honeck schrieb:

Wolfgang and Thomas are the unfortunate products of their societies --
which brings me full circle back to where I started, with the
statement: "Why did we bother?"

.... and all this crap said by a person who has never been to another
country, even for holidays. His only wisdom is from his 'education' and
'life-experience'. Holy **** .. and he has kids; hopefully they do better.

#m
--
I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
...
There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita Khrushchev
said, "We will bury you!"

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.

I understand how a defeated nation like Germany might subtly inflect
their history books to cast shadows on the victors -- it's human
nature to do so -- but for any German to cast such a positive light on
the SOVIETS (of all people!) is just amazing.

Possibly because they had more in common (and were allies up to 1941) with
the Soviets than to the US.

Also, consider how distorted is Japan's teaching of history to their young;
not too far from them being the victims even before Hiroshima, and
completely ignoring the "Rape of Nanking", etc.

See any similarity between those (Japan and German) to the present
Islamofascists?

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
..
.
There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita
Khrushchev said, "We will bury you!"

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's
famous line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It
is to weep.

I understand how a defeated nation like Germany might subtly inflect
their history books to cast shadows on the victors -- it's human
nature to do so -- but for any German to cast such a positive light
on the SOVIETS (of all people!) is just amazing.

Possibly because they had more in common (and were allies up to 1941)
with the Soviets than to the US.

Also, consider how distorted is Japan's teaching of history to their
young; not too far from them being the victims even before Hiroshima,
and completely ignoring the "Rape of Nanking", etc.


Yeah, right.

How many kids from texas are taught what actually happened at the Alamo?



Bertie

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

brutality is not
a cultural trait of this or that country, but a sad part of human
nature. All human cultures have to deal with this fact somehow.


Well said. Thanks.
On the whole we've slowly learned from our mistakes, and the world's a
better place than it was before. But we progress with agonizing
slowness sometimes.

-Stella

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote in :




The legacy is that brutality is not
a cultural trait of this or that country, but a sad part of human
nature. All human cultures have to deal with this fact somehow.


I disagree. While officially sanctioned brutality may not be a part of this
or that country, cultural factors undeniably breed brutality , at least in
certain sectors of it. Poverty ignorance, xenophobia and god knows what
else combine to make some countries positively burn with it. I've been in
more than a few of them.


Bertie