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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Bertie Had a buddy once who bought a 150 Apache. He had trouble fining an FAA type to go flying with him. They liked it with both fans running, but giving a flight test in it was another matter :-)) What? You're kidding? They were the perfect trainer and probably the safest thing to do flight tests in. It was the only light twin ever certified for spins (later revoked). The thing about them was that you had to do everything right or they wouldn't go up, even light, but more importantly, as a trainerm they were less likely to kill you than any other light twin if the student got it horribly wrong. I've not time in the 150 myself. It's a fact that the FAA wasn't all that happy about flying with him in it; a lot of fuss about issues below VMC un certain conditions. Apparently a couple of the fuzz folks had problems giving flight tests in it...but you know the FAA :-)) -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bertie Had a buddy once who bought a 150 Apache. He had trouble fining an FAA type to go flying with him. They liked it with both fans running, but giving a flight test in it was another matter :-)) What? You're kidding? They were the perfect trainer and probably the safest thing to do flight tests in. It was the only light twin ever certified for spins (later revoked). The thing about them was that you had to do everything right or they wouldn't go up, even light, but more importantly, as a trainerm they were less likely to kill you than any other light twin if the student got it horribly wrong. I've not time in the 150 myself. It's a fact that the FAA wasn't all that happy about flying with him in it; a lot of fuss about issues below VMC un certain conditions. Apparently a couple of the fuzz folks had problems giving flight tests in it...but you know the FAA :-)) Well, the guy I was with seemed to prefer it, but that was a while back, of course. I don't see the current crop being all that much better, really, and the apache was so docile..... Never flew a 235 but that should have been streets better. Flew an Aztec a few tims, but not enought to get a handle on it. The 310 would have ahd a much narrower comfort envelope than the apache, for instance, even though it went up better on one at training weights. Likewise the Baron and just about anything else I can think of. I was an observer on a DC-3 training flight where it departed during a VMC demo. I was standing in between them and hungover as bedamned. Ugh, getting nauseous just thinking about it. #Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bertie Had a buddy once who bought a 150 Apache. He had trouble fining an FAA type to go flying with him. They liked it with both fans running, but giving a flight test in it was another matter :-)) What? You're kidding? They were the perfect trainer and probably the safest thing to do flight tests in. It was the only light twin ever certified for spins (later revoked). The thing about them was that you had to do everything right or they wouldn't go up, even light, but more importantly, as a trainerm they were less likely to kill you than any other light twin if the student got it horribly wrong. I've not time in the 150 myself. It's a fact that the FAA wasn't all that happy about flying with him in it; a lot of fuss about issues below VMC un certain conditions. Apparently a couple of the fuzz folks had problems giving flight tests in it...but you know the FAA :-)) Well, the guy I was with seemed to prefer it, but that was a while back, of course. I don't see the current crop being all that much better, really, and the apache was so docile..... Never flew a 235 but that should have been streets better. Flew an Aztec a few tims, but not enought to get a handle on it. The 310 would have ahd a much narrower comfort envelope than the apache, for instance, even though it went up better on one at training weights. Likewise the Baron and just about anything else I can think of. I was an observer on a DC-3 training flight where it departed during a VMC demo. I was standing in between them and hungover as bedamned. Ugh, getting nauseous just thinking about it. #Bertie Most all of my professional flying was done in singles. Believe it or not, I think I might be the only idiot lest alive who tested in a 337 and got one of those stupid centerline thrust ratings :-)) We had one for charter and I had to get rated in it to use it. I have a lot of time flying multi-engine airplanes but never was rated for them; just way too much involved in instructing in high performance singles I guess. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dudley Henriques wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bertie Had a buddy once who bought a 150 Apache. He had trouble fining an FAA type to go flying with him. They liked it with both fans running, but giving a flight test in it was another matter :-)) What? You're kidding? They were the perfect trainer and probably the safest thing to do flight tests in. It was the only light twin ever certified for spins (later revoked). The thing about them was that you had to do everything right or they wouldn't go up, even light, but more importantly, as a trainerm they were less likely to kill you than any other light twin if the student got it horribly wrong. I've not time in the 150 myself. It's a fact that the FAA wasn't all that happy about flying with him in it; a lot of fuss about issues below VMC un certain conditions. Apparently a couple of the fuzz folks had problems giving flight tests in it...but you know the FAA :-)) Well, the guy I was with seemed to prefer it, but that was a while back, of course. I don't see the current crop being all that much better, really, and the apache was so docile..... Never flew a 235 but that should have been streets better. Flew an Aztec a few tims, but not enought to get a handle on it. The 310 would have ahd a much narrower comfort envelope than the apache, for instance, even though it went up better on one at training weights. Likewise the Baron and just about anything else I can think of. I was an observer on a DC-3 training flight where it departed during a VMC demo. I was standing in between them and hungover as bedamned. Ugh, getting nauseous just thinking about it. #Bertie Most all of my professional flying was done in singles. Believe it or not, I think I might be the only idiot lest alive who tested in a 337 and got one of those stupid centerline thrust ratings :-)) We had one for charter and I had to get rated in it to use it. I have a lot of time flying multi-engine airplanes but never was rated for them; just way too much involved in instructing in high performance singles I guess. Now that's an odd logbook allright! Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dudley Henriques wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bertie Had a buddy once who bought a 150 Apache. He had trouble fining an FAA type to go flying with him. They liked it with both fans running, but giving a flight test in it was another matter :-)) What? You're kidding? They were the perfect trainer and probably the safest thing to do flight tests in. It was the only light twin ever certified for spins (later revoked). The thing about them was that you had to do everything right or they wouldn't go up, even light, but more importantly, as a trainerm they were less likely to kill you than any other light twin if the student got it horribly wrong. I've not time in the 150 myself. It's a fact that the FAA wasn't all that happy about flying with him in it; a lot of fuss about issues below VMC un certain conditions. Apparently a couple of the fuzz folks had problems giving flight tests in it...but you know the FAA :-)) Well, the guy I was with seemed to prefer it, but that was a while back, of course. I don't see the current crop being all that much better, really, and the apache was so docile..... Never flew a 235 but that should have been streets better. Flew an Aztec a few tims, but not enought to get a handle on it. The 310 would have ahd a much narrower comfort envelope than the apache, for instance, even though it went up better on one at training weights. Likewise the Baron and just about anything else I can think of. I was an observer on a DC-3 training flight where it departed during a VMC demo. I was standing in between them and hungover as bedamned. Ugh, getting nauseous just thinking about it. #Bertie Most all of my professional flying was done in singles. Believe it or not, I think I might be the only idiot lest alive who tested in a 337 and got one of those stupid centerline thrust ratings :-)) We had one for charter and I had to get rated in it to use it. I have a lot of time flying multi-engine airplanes but never was rated for them; just way too much involved in instructing in high performance singles I guess. Now that's an odd logbook allright! Bertie Never really had the desire to go into the majors or into heavy charter. I loved primary instruction and later on into War Birds, acro, and acro instruction; a lot of private tutoring to (rich :-) individuals with their own airplanes. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: Never really had the desire to go into the majors or into heavy charter. I loved primary instruction and later on into War Birds, acro, and acro instruction; a lot of private tutoring to (rich :-) individuals with their own airplanes. I didn't either, but I was starving to death! The big ones are fun in their own way. Not so much anymore though. Even in the sim, the autopilot is on most of the time. Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in : Never really had the desire to go into the majors or into heavy charter. I loved primary instruction and later on into War Birds, acro, and acro instruction; a lot of private tutoring to (rich :-) individuals with their own airplanes. I didn't either, but I was starving to death! The big ones are fun in their own way. Not so much anymore though. Even in the sim, the autopilot is on most of the time. Bertie I was lucky I guess. Got hooked up somehow with the "rich set" and developed a VERY substantial private instruction business. Got to fly more high powered "toys" than I could ever have afforded to fly myself. -- Dudley Henriques |
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